mike rousseau Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 well... i think my motor is toast...or at least toast enough to stop putting money into it... so what make has the lead nowadays...i know this is gunna be a mixed bag of answers and please dont get into debates or brand wars... just wanna know what you guys might know about features and performance... im thinking about upping to a 50hp tiller...from my current 40hp... for the days with 3 big guys in the boat(mercman and mercmans brother...lol) and loads of gear and lunches...etc... my main form of fishing is trolling... so a motor that idles low and smooth is key... im leaning towards Yamaha but locally a Mercury is easiest...there is a dealer 5 minutes away on the states side... no matter what im gunna buy in the states... prices are a few thousand dollars lower then in Ontario... one question i have... the capacity plate states that a 45 is the max hp... is it illegal to go over this? or is that a recomendation from the manufacturer? im sure the boat can handle a 60hp motor no problem... and a 50hp would be perfect... anyways... lets hear it everyone... thanks in advance... mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper D Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Sorry to hear that Mike , but then again theres nothing nicer then a new Yamaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 and lunches...etc... mike How heavy could those lunches possibly be? Interested in where this goes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 How heavy could those lunches possibly be? Interested in where this goes as well. Bro and I likes our Lunches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANUK Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 X2 for Yamaha , not only reliable but the best tiller handle with RPM control. As for boat HP capacity rating, it's only a manf recommendation in Canada. Do not go over the rating if you plan on fishing USA side, it is enforced on that side and you could be pulled off the water . Another thing to consider is insurance, putting a bigger motor is not a good idea if there is ever an issue with a claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Yamaha has theire troll control system (ability to adjust idle speed for trolling) built right into the tiller handle as far as I know. Merc you need to purchase one of their smart craft guages in order to get their troll control system operational. Idle speed is also controlled through the guage. Cost will probably be close between the two with the added expense of the smart craft guage. The smart craft guage gives you tons of info though that you won't get with the stock Yammie guage. I'm repowering my boat as soon as some other loans are paid off and will be going with new Mercs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmilley Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 the yamaha has the 4 cyl with the pro-control tiller handle pretty much the sweetest tiller in the biz, smooth lots of torque sips fuel. the merc if i remember correctly is a $800 to get the nice tiller handle, besides the merc is made in china the yammy is made in japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 the yamaha has the 4 cyl with the pro-control tiller handle pretty much the sweetest tiller in the biz, smooth lots of torque sips fuel. the merc if i remember correctly is a $800 to get the nice tiller handle, besides the merc is made in china the yammy is made in japan The shift lever is really nice on the Yammie too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowPoke Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 im leaning towards Yamaha but locally a Mercury is easiest...there is a dealer 5 minutes away on the states side... I can sum this up in one word.... buyayamahafromclaytonmarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I can sum this up in one word.... buyayamahafromclaytonmarine They are fairly close also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Can you still get a normal size tiller handle...? With those huge new tillers I'd have to move my seat base up a fair bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I'll recommend the Yamaha too Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I'm running a 2001 Mercaha 60 hp 4 stroke. It has run as smooth as a sewing machine since day one and has never been in the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 the yamaha has the 4 cyl with the pro-control tiller handle pretty much the sweetest tiller in the biz, smooth lots of torque sips fuel. the merc if i remember correctly is a $800 to get the nice tiller handle, besides the merc is made in china the yammy is made in japan Merc outboards from 30 to 60hp are manufactored in China under strict supervision by Brunswick engineers, and to Mercury specs. Besides, Japan is still radioactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I run a 40 yamaha 4-stroke tiller with the troll assist. Everyone's gonna love their motor and I love mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Everyone's gonna love their motor im not loving mine right now...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybo Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 A full rebuild on your engine will be less then new.And you are basically getting a new engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 A full rebuild on your engine will be less then new.And you are basically getting a new engine. im just concerned about a money pit situation... so far im out 800 in parts and repairs in 6 months... the next fix the mechanic is looking at is another 500...and hes not 100% sure that it will be ready after that... i paid 3000 for the motor... so in the end im close to the costs of a new motor... im just worried im gunna spend 1000-2000 to fix this 12 year old motor... and have no garauntee/warranty and get screwed again in a year or 2 with another problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 A full rebuild on your engine will be less then new.And you are basically getting a new engine. but if i knew that 1000 or 1500 and shed be like new again thats not bad... but im spending hundreds for "possible" fixes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybo Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 That`s why you get a full rebuild,you`re not fixing it you are making a fresh engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dontcryformejanhrdina Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 im not loving mine right now...lol Isn't yours a Honda 40hp tiller? Uh oh....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 That`s why you get a full rebuild,you`re not fixing it you are making a fresh engine. so you talking new power head basically? or whats involved? what kinda cost/hours would i be looking at ballpark...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 but if i knew that 1000 or 1500 and shed be like new again thats not bad... but im spending hundreds for "possible" fixes Get a second opinion on it Mike.Your mech may not be as good as he says or you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybo Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Can`t tell you the cost.Don`t do outboards. Sleeves,pistons,rings.crank bearings and head.Inspect and use whats not worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Get a second opinion on it Mike.Your mech may not be as good as he says or you think. everything hes done or said makes sense... hes not spinning his wheels cause he doesnt know his stuff... as soon as he described some of what he found i figured head gasket before he even said that... but it wasnt... now hes thinking something warped from ice cause i ran it in the winter months... so he wants to tear apart the power head to try and find out whats warped and fix it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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