bushart Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 This was a hot topic a while ago and I have'nt heard any more Anyone know where this was left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Last I heard, they (Gov't) put a hold on things until an extensive research was completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Thanks Fisherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Last I heard, they (Gov't) put a hold on things until an extensive research was completed. AKA let's lull the natives back to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4bassin Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 AKA let's lull the natives back to sleep. So true Roy , so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jat Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 From what I hear there is a provision in the free trade deal that lets U.S. companies come here and do as they please even though we have laws/policies that supposedly protect out rights......nice huh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 From what I hear there is a provision in the free trade deal that lets U.S. companies come here and do as they please even though we have laws/policies that supposedly protect out rights......nice huh! We're a sovereign country, I'd like to see that provision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Yeah--maybe like to see that one---we should be allowed to choose our destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattletrap2 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Guys, the fight is far from over! My wife and I volunteered at the Foodstock event in October, which was a huge success. Over 28,000 people showed up on a rainy and brutally windy afternoon. It was something memorable to have been a part of! This past week, Danny Beaton of the Mohawks posted a long letter in the local paper that was a good read. The US company (Baupost Group) is getting lots of bad press for this fiasco and another similar one in California. Lets hope someone in our Governments has a least a shred of decency in them to prevent this from happening. It will be a fight that goes on for a few years yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2fan Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 We're a sovereign country, I'd like to see that provision. A simple search on google will show numerous cases where democratically elected governments have had to change laws because of rulings by the WTO for countries that ratified Gatt. I don't doubt that Nafta has the same provisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) The mere fact/ impression that they were stealthy in their land acquisition should be reason enough to kick their arse back home. I'd rather someone be upfront and tell me they want to rape the land vs slowly buying up things on a pretense. My guess would also be that this aggregate is going to China. Edited January 16, 2012 by woodenboater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Maybe they will fill it with water and put some fish in when they are done. That was talked about at other quarry's i can think of but never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2fan Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Maybe they will fill it with water and put some fish in when they are done. That was talked about at other quarry's i can think of but never happened. In the old days quarries got filled with water by accident (as in oh crap you went a little deep with that steam shovel Harold... gurgle, gurgle RUN!!!!) Now with all the fancy sonar and imaging equipment it probably doesn't happen as often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioFisherman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) <object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpHxCG5owWk?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpHxCG5owWk?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpHxCG5owWk?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object> There is info on youtube about it, I don`t know how recent it is. There area quarries here in Ohio, most are old and smaller. Limestone, sandstone, and sand. Most have turned in ponds, perhaps by accident? I would guess it can get expensive pumping water out of a hole in the ground you are working in? All the ones I have seen here, again older and no longer producing have fish in them. Access is a problem because here they usually have a very long drop to the water, deep water, and it raises liability issues in case of accidents. The farmers here complained about them also, it takes away farmland that they might be interested in getting at a cheap price, so they put their spin on them. They don`t seem to have an issue though when they reach an older age and stop farming and sell their farm land to a developer for a huge profit. Sort of the same principal as the old strip mining pits in southern Ohio that now have been turned into a nature and wild life area once the mining was done? The area was reclaimed, trees and such planted, pits stocked with fish. If the province turned it into a park? Edited January 16, 2012 by OhioFisherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Pretty sure it's the mangnitude of the project here OF----they want to go deeper and it affects the groundwaters I believe for a large area and what they will do will never be re-claimed to it's current status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Sort of the same principal as the old strip mining pits in southern Ohio that now have been turned into a nature and wild life area once the mining was done? The area was reclaimed, trees and such planted, pits stocked with fish. If the province turned it into a park? This is our country and we don't need the likes of your companies to tell us what to do with our land. There's enough grief without you trying to stir the mud. Farmers feed people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 This is our country and we don't need the likes of your companies to tell us what to do with our land. There's enough grief without you trying to stir the mud. Farmers feed people. I didn't know OhioFisherman owned any mining companies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12footspringbok Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 We're a sovereign country, HAH! Everyday a few more pieces of that sovereignty are chiseled off the stone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Let's keep it civil please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12footspringbok Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 From what I hear there is a provision in the free trade deal that lets U.S. companies come here and do as they please even though we have laws/policies that supposedly protect out rights......nice huh! I'd have to do more research, but a quick google search and 15 minutes of reading and I already see you are half right anyway.. http://canadians.org/water/documents/Letter-Barlow-Melancthon-0411.pdf There is another issue that should be raised. Because the construction company is backed by the Baupost Group, a Boston‐based multi‐billion dollar hedge fund, it likely has NAFTA rights to sue the Canadian government if at any time after the contract has been signed, any level of government changes its mind on the project or attempts to limit damage to the land and water of the area by imposing new restrictions on the company’s operations. As well, NAFTA’s Chapter 11 gives American corporations operating in Canada the right to claim the water sources they use in their operations. The Canadian government recently awarded the American pulp and paper company Abitibi Bowater $125 million in compensation for the water it no longer uses after it voluntarily abandoned its operation in Newfoundland. This payment has set a dangerous precedent that could be repeated in the case of this quarry if, at any time in the future, the company pulls out or if the local or provincial government tries to reclaim some of the water sources first allotted to it. Even if we were to find that the water sources in the area were being drawn down too quickly or polluted, the company would have NAFTA investor‐state rights not accorded to Canadian companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbouck Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 This is our country and we don't need the likes of your companies to tell us what to do with our land. There's enough grief without you trying to stir the mud. Farmers feed people. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioFisherman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 This is our country and we don't need the likes of your companies to tell us what to do with our land. There's enough grief without you trying to stir the mud. Farmers feed people. So do jobs? Note, I never said it was a good idea, when only one side presents their side of the story how will the debate go? I believe we have a Canadian company repairing the Cumberland dam here in the states, I don`t whine about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 So do jobs? Note, I never said it was a good idea, when only one side presents their side of the story how will the debate go? I believe we have a Canadian company repairing the Cumberland dam here in the states, I don`t whine about that. Read between my lines a bit, I don't like the idea of a foreign company coming here under the auspicies of making something and then we find out it's not that at all. Come here and make a big potatoe farm for work, that's fine. I'm sure the Cdn company that's fixing your damm didn't go down there with a false front or pretense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaque Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 This is our country and we don't need the likes of your companies to tell us what to do with our land. I've gotta look at my W-2's a little closer this year. I had no idea i had a stake in the mining industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jat Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) This was on TVO Here's the link. http://theagenda.tvo.org/episode/124948/local-food-and-the-mega-quarry and http://www.ndact.com/ Edited January 16, 2012 by jat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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