mrpike Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 WHEN they come to your door . Tell them you are voting for or support the ( BLOC QC. ) . AND if you want my vote you better do something about the high gas prices . Watch there eyes light up. AND then close your door.. VOTE the under dog and force the top dog's. OR pay the price at the pumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookinforwalleye Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 You want me to vote for a traitor a guy that would be hung in the town square in a lot of countries not gonna happen even if it was possible!!! You are not going to get any politician to talk about gas for reasons that should be incredibly obvious to most anyone... The conservatives need high gas prices to pay for tax and spending cuts!!! The Socialists need high gas prices to pay for all their hand outs,social programs and pandering to the out of touch with reality public sector unions!!! The Fiberals please see socialists comment above!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwpowell Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I don't see this thread going anywhere fast. Other than the deleted folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookinforwalleye Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I don't see this thread going anywhere fast. Other than the deleted folder. Lets hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdjrowley Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Gentalmen these polititans are paid by us. The guys who pay for everything. Including corporate welfare to the Steve Harper goverment. These people need to be told every chance we get. It's the only way they know we are paying atttention. I say if they ask for your vote, we ask them why would I vote for someone who will not make the price of gas a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyShackleford Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Vote for the separatists to lower gas prices? I fail to see the logic in this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aniceguy Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) Higher gas prices and higer insurance prices are all a result of the billions in payments happening from the gulf spill. There is nothing ANY politician or even the Prime Minister can even do. They can give some tempory relief in a tax break if need be, but it would be financed by deficit spending, leading to cuts somewhere else down the line. Its a commodity, traded as a future, and until crude is removed from the futures market it will be driven by PROFIT. Personally to me its a corporate expense, just like the HST being an input credit. What ever I have earned in investment returns from the energy sector far and wide over shadows any cost increases in fuel and its derrivities Who I do feel sorry for is the families that were already on the edge financially, and are now being forced to make sacrificies on food items to afford gas and all its evil twins, there in fact lies the true shame of this I read an economic report a few months back thats prediciting that 60% of the US population will be making critical choices in lifestyle to afford gas..... Edited April 17, 2011 by aniceguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pics Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 The greens support higher gas taxes to reduce car use and to pay for their guaranteed minimum income for people who just want to chill at home , do nothing and get paid for it....we can't afford the NDP and iggy can go back to Harvard with all the other so called eggheads...I'm voting for whoever gets rid of the gun registry............Imagine you were an oil exec right now....profits up without doing a damn thing but you still get a nine figure bonus .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) Crude Oil is an openly traded commodity just as many other things we use daily. ie. sugar, wheat, coffee, gold, etc. etc. The price it trades for is determined my the principle's of Supply and Demand. No government in a free market economy can change this. The only control they have over the pump price of gas is through the level of taxation they levy against it. Edited April 17, 2011 by Old Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 You win the prize old man. If your supply and demand support the commodity and it is trading at a higher price then the cost goes up. If you want to not fuel the issue then don't trade in oil future. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkrp Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 It really doesn`t matter who you vote for . The government still gets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossover Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 I don't was Jill representing this nation, he looks like a nut job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemper Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Higher gas prices and higer insurance prices are all a result of the billions in payments happening from the gulf spill. There is nothing ANY politician or even the Prime Minister can even do. They can give some tempory relief in a tax break if need be, but it would be financed by deficit spending, leading to cuts somewhere else down the line. Its a commodity, traded as a future, and until crude is removed from the futures market it will be driven by PROFIT. Personally to me its a corporate expense, just like the HST being an input credit. What ever I have earned in investment returns from the energy sector far and wide over shadows any cost increases in fuel and its derrivities Who I do feel sorry for is the families that were already on the edge financially, and are now being forced to make sacrificies on food items to afford gas and all its evil twins, there in fact lies the true shame of this I read an economic report a few months back thats prediciting that 60% of the US population will be making critical choices in lifestyle to afford gas..... BINGO! That was refreshing, finally someone took the time to educate themselves on a topic before spouting off nonsense. Anyone who thinks that a politician can simply lower gas prices outside of a short term tax break (read: band-aid fix)is seriously mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookinforwalleye Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Anybody watch State of the Union today? they had Donald Trump on he had a solution for the oil problem! His solution was just go in to Libya and take it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 When they come to my door I'm gonna demand that they lower the price of gold too. Last time I needed gold it was $1200.00 an ounce. Just my luck, I'm out of gold again and need to buy more and it's darn near $1500.00 an ounce now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsalmon Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Crude Oil is an openly traded commodity just as many other things we use daily. ie. sugar, wheat, coffee, gold, etc. etc. The price it trades for is determined my the principle's of Supply and Demand. No government in a free market economy can change this. The only control they have over the pump price of gas is through the level of taxation they levy against it. Yes its a commodity, and demand fluctuates due to the economy and weather, but its the supply and ultimately the price that is manipulated by a handful of nations. If they WANT the price to go up, they just shorten the supply by turning off a well. Oil should be at $50 a barrel. But until such time that OPEC and Oil companies greed ceases to exist we will continue to pay whatever price they want to charge us no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Yes its a commodity, and demand fluctuates due to the economy and weather, but its the supply and ultimately the price that is manipulated by a handful of nations. If they WANT the price to go up, they just shorten the supply by turning off a well. Oil should be at $50 a barrel. But until such time that OPEC and Oil companies greed ceases to exist we will continue to pay whatever price they want to charge us no matter what. The supply situation is a little more complicated than just "turning on and off wells". The price of crude at $50/barrel would basically slow up or stop production in areas such as the tar sands due to the fact that extraction of oil from that source would become uneconomical. So supply would shrink as well, thus again driving up prices. A large portion of the crude used by both Canada and the US comes from this source (35% of US crude has Canadian origins) While OPEC quotas have influenced oil price in the past and still do to some extent, the main reason for soaring prices is the worldwide increase in demand for oil driven mainly by emerging economies in India and China. Political instability in some major oil producing regions also tends to drive the future prices for crude up. The cost of locating and extracting new sources of crude have also increased and again at $50/barrel, activity in this area would be curtailed. What this all comes down to is the fact that crude oil is becoming a scarcer commodity while demand is still increasing. As a commodity, it also lacks any economical or practical substitute at this time that can take it's place. As prices go higher, it will have the effect of driving the search for alternatives. The fact of life is that $30 or $50 or even $75 / barrel crude is a thing of the past and not likely to be seen again anytime soon or ever. Edited April 18, 2011 by Old Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpike Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) I now under stand why we are in this mess. Because so meany people out there thing that GOVERMENT and OIL companys and others have the right to GOUCH the average man. AND it is spreading look at the price of food cloths housing cars trucks insurance gas hydro water . ITS JUST ALL OUT OF CONTROL . THE cost of living is hurting more and more people every day businesses are closing every day . IN fiftyseven years of my life I have never seen pricies rise so much and so fast the average man just can't keep up. Even if you get a raise of 2% per year it is far short of the cost of living now days . I guess we all just have to grin and bear it until it is to late and most are living in poverty. Just look at them over sea's now. WE are really going to leave our kids a great life in this country. MY kids can't afford a car now or afford to move out of the house at age twenty five and both are working full time . it sure is a different life now then in my days and its getting worst evry day . SORRY FOR THE RANT. Edited April 18, 2011 by mrpike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I now under stand why we are in this mess. Because so meany people out there thing that GOVERMENT and OIL companys and others have the right to GOUCH the average man. AND it is spreading look at the price of food cloths housing cars trucks gas hydro water . ITS JUST ALL OUT OF CONTROL . THE cost of living is hurting more and more people every day businesses are closing every day . IN fiftyseven years of my life I have never seen pricies rise so much and so fast the average man just can't keep up. Even if you get a raise of 2% per year it is far short of the cost of living now days . I guess we all just have to grin and bear it until it is to late and most are living in poverty. Just look at them over sea's now. WE are really going to leave our kids a great life in this country. MY kids can't afford a car now or afford to move out of the house at age twenty five and both are working full time . it sure is a different life now then in my days and its getting worst evry day . SORRY FOR THE RANT. I hear ya mrpike, but I think that Canada is in great shape. We have everything in abundance that the rest of the world wants. We have minerals (gold, diamonds, chromium ((big time)), palladium, etc., etc.), oil, wood, and water. Times are changing for sure but I think that we are sitting well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I hear ya mrpike, but I think that Canada is in great shape. We have everything in abundance that the rest of the world wants. We have minerals (gold, diamonds, chromium ((big time)), palladium, etc., etc.), oil, wood, and water. Times are changing for sure but I think that we are sitting well here. I agree. Demand for commodities will increase at a accelerated pace in the years to come, and Canada's position in this area is strong. It's funny, being a nation of farmer, miners, and lumberjacks was considered to be a weakness in the 20th century but it will be our strength is this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oggie Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Funny I'mm old enough to remember Mr. Trudeau. The last time the country faced this situation, he nationalized the energy sector and froze the price of gasoline. Guess Free Trade wouldn't allow us to do that now. We sell our oil to the Americans and they have lower gasoline prices than us. We are blessed with great natural resources but I think we screwed ourselves when we signed NAFTA. The Americans only sign deals when they win. Our natural resources will be traded and sold as THEY see fit. Any leader that wanted to get elected would just need to guarantee a moratorium on gas price increases for a year. Majority Governmnent! Dan O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Funny I'mm old enough to remember Mr. Trudeau. The last time the country faced this situation, he nationalized the energy sector and froze the price of gasoline. Guess Free Trade wouldn't allow us to do that now. We sell our oil to the Americans and they have lower gasoline prices than us. We are blessed with great natural resources but I think we screwed ourselves when we signed NAFTA. The Americans only sign deals when they win. Our natural resources will be traded and sold as THEY see fit. Any leader that wanted to get elected would just need to guarantee a moratorium on gas price increases for a year. Majority Governmnent! Dan O. The difference in the US and Canadian gas prices is mainly due to tax. Mr. Trudeau's national energy policy was also responsible for massive lay offs in the Alberta oil fields and the ceasation of oil and gas exploration and development in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Canadian average for gasoline tax is 31.9 cents/litre (equivalent to $1.21 per US gal). US average for gasoline tax 48.1 cents/ US gal (equivalent to 12.7 cents per litre) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookinforwalleye Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Canadian average for gasoline tax is 31.9 cents/litre (equivalent to $1.21 per US gal). US average for gasoline tax 48.1 cents/ US gal (equivalent to 12.7 cents per litre) I hate high gas prices just as much as the next guy but somebody has to pay for; health care,doctor,nurses,technicians salaries education,new schools,teachers salaries,pensions public sector and their pensions law enforcement,jails prison military old age pension canada pension unemployment insurance welfare for those who refuse to work public housing make work projects to battle the reccesion equalization payments to less fortunate provinces I am sure I missed a few things but you get the idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynmar Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Gentlmen, there is another side to the supply and demand equation that no one has mentioned. We are the ones driving that demand, we drive our car, we use our boat motors, we drive our RV. Cut down the demand and the price goes down. However, this involves a societal change in thinking that isn't going to happen soon. I won't get into the alternative energy side of the argument as it appears that with the price of oil so high , alternatives like solar, wind, geothermal etc. are becoming more attractive. I believe that as the world's supply of oil goes down, the producers have seen the writing on the wall and are determined to some extent to drive the price higher. Libya's share of world production was what, 2% , and you are saying this justifies a price increase. No, there is a certain amount of price fixing there but the oil as a commodity argument is valid. As far as governments being able to do something, unlikely , as the price goes up so does the amount of tax they collect. Who here has seen a politician give back tax dollars. Hell, the GST was supposed to be a temporary measure. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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