Thanks for the encouragement.MTP, where I saw these 2 there are no weeds but there is a large,submerged tree branch running along the bridge support and lots of rocks on the other side with an open channel in the middle. I figure they are around the branch.For sure will hang in there as I have not caught a pike for years.I am going to get some new lures today and walk the river.I will get them,lol