Letter to MNR

[moxie]

Stopping the native netting would be the biggest single thing to do period !!!! Everyone knows it all the resort owners and all the legal fishermen and the MNR knows it !!! So why is it not happening ?? And it is all about money as most if the walleyes end up on the black market for sale !!!! So how do they explain that as in their native right ?? The bands even admit they have illegal betters and will police their own ??? Ya right ....it's all Bull but we can't speak the truth cause someone gets offended and thread gets locked ....

 

 

I share your Anger FD. Heres an idea. If you ever bump into a Politician of any stripe, Piss on his/her leg and when they ask why you did, just ask them if it feels to them like it feels for you. Never be afraid to speak up for what you believe to be right.

[Billy Bob]

I keep telling you boys........BUY OUT THE INDIANS....problem solved...you only have to look at Lake Erie in the early '80's.....we had bought out ALL gill netters on our side of the Lake and now it's the BEST Walleye Lake in the WORLD...

 

Remember, it's ALWAYS all about the money....

[fishindevil]

its always about money billy bob ...thats a for sure....

[dickie]

I keep telling you boys........BUY OUT THE INDIANS....problem solved...you only have to look at Lake Erie in the early '80's.....we had bought out ALL gill netters on our side of the Lake and now it's the BEST Walleye Lake in the WORLD...

 

Remember, it's ALWAYS all about the money.... :whistling:Billybob, you guys on the other side of the border seem to have a lot less native problems then we have. How come?

[Billy Bob]

Less native problems....I guess...MAYBE...all the Indians here care about is CASINOS....they are making a KILLING here in NYS with them....because of the temp casino (all slots for now) it forced the closure of your slot only casino that was part of the Fort Erie Race Track in Fort Erie, Ont...because of that the race track is now going to close after over 100 years of operation...

 

Give your natives lots of money and they could care less about netting any fish of any kind.... ...that is why I suggested a small tax on resort owners on Lake Nip and a special stamp to fish Lake Nip...these funds could buy out native gill netters....we did the same thing here in the mid 80's on Lake Erie...a special $3 stamp to fish Erie for three years but after only 2 years they discontinued the required stamp because all the commercial gill netters were bought out and the stamp was no longer necessary...any extra funds collected on the special stamp and tax could go directly to stocking Lake Nip....Everyone WINS...oh, now that doesn't happen in any of our Indian Casino's...LOL....REMEMBER......IT'S ALL ABOUT THE.....

 

[dickie]

Less native problems....I guess...MAYBE...all the Indians here care about is CASINOS....they are making a KILLING here in NYS with them....because of the temp casino (all slots for now) it forced the closure of your slot only casino that was part of the Fort Erie Race Track in Fort Erie, Ont...because of that the race track is now going to close after over 100 years of operation...

 

Give your natives lots of money and they could care less about netting any fish of any kind.... ...that is why I suggested a small tax on resort owners on Lake Nip and a special stamp to fish Lake Nip...these funds could buy out native gill netters....we did the same thing here in the mid 80's on Lake Erie...a special $3 stamp to fish Erie for three years but after only 2 years they discontinued the required stamp because all the commercial gill netters were bought out and the stamp was no longer necessary...any extra funds collected on the special stamp and tax could go directly to stocking Lake Nip....Everyone WINS...oh, now that doesn't happen in any of our Indian Casino's...LOL....REMEMBER......IT'S ALL ABOUT THE.....

 

getting back to the original topic of sending letters to the MNR, did any one get any response from them?

[Headhunter]

I am waiting on a letter from my MPP... I contacted their office last week and apparently, they contacted the MNR.

I spoke with their office yesterday and they told me a letter has been sent to me... I await Canada post!LOL

HH

[Nipfisher]

Fedeli dismayed with MNRs refusal to work with Lake Nipissing stakeholders

Wednesday, March 27, 2013 by: Kate AdamsNipissing MPP Vic Fedeli

News Release

 

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Nipissing MPP Vic Fedeli expressed dismay today at the Ministry of Natural Resources refusal to work with Lake Nipissing stakeholders on solutions for the lake’s walleye fishery.

 

 

Fedeli read a Members’ Statement confirming the Minister has rejected the stakeholders bid to establish a self-funded restocking initiative in response to the recent decision to reduce the daily walleye catch limit on Lake Nipissing from four to two.

 

 

The statement also cited concerns raised by the Municipality of Callander Council in a recent resolution that was adopted. The prepared text of MPP Fedeli’s statement is as follows:

 

 

 

Speaker, Lake Nipissing stakeholders are beside themselves after recent discussions with the Ministry of Natural Resources, who recently reduced the daily catch limits for walleye on Lake Nipissing from four to two.

 

 

Despite being presented with scientific evidence in support of a significant restocking effort, the Minister has decided to maintain the status quo. Even though the stakeholders have stated they view this as a temporary solution, you’ve slammed the door on them, and their livelihoods in the process.

 

 

The Municipality of Callander passed a resolution in January that asks you to reconsider the daily catch limit decision and asks “the Ministry of Natural Resources increase the support for, and provide additional resources dedicated towards alternative actions to address the decline in the Walleye population, including but not limited to, additional fishing opportunities for other species, consistent enforcement of regulations and daily catch limits and community-based restocking programs."

 

 

Minister, Lake Nipissing stakeholders are ready to move forward with restocking initiatives they will fund completely. Why are you standing in their way instead of working with them on solutions going forward?

 

[outllaw]

billy bob. your dead on about the money lmao

[spinnerbaitking]

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment... given your example of the Saugeen, I think it's fantastic that a ground level group has done so much to increase angler opportunities, but, and please correct me if I'm wrong here... I don't suppose that any groups on the Saugeen run nets across the river in the spring of fall to harvest these fish?

And if they did, how long would volunteers be showing up to continue the stocking program?

HH

 

Guess what, I heard this morning the MNR pulled a Gill Net out of the Saugeen River just up from the Boat Launch, I hope this is wrong or if it's right they have witnesses that saw them being placed.

This could get very nasty SBK

[Headhunter]

Guess what, I heard this morning the MNR pulled a Gill Net out of the Saugeen River just up from the Boat Launch, I hope this is wrong or if it's right they have witnesses that saw them being placed.

This could get very nasty SBK

Ouch! Well, if that's true, I expect a few members here to chime and tell us that it is within their treaty rights and that given their treatment over the last 1-2 hundred years, we should be encouraging them to continue the practice. Others will tell us that we can get all the trout we want, at the grocery store.

Thsi should be interesting as based on what I have read here since I joined some time ago, the trout guys a far more "hands on" them the Pickereye folks.

And if they are doing it on the Saugeen, the other Lake Huron ditches will get the same.

Perhaps I'll take up fishing Asian Carp... probably gonna end up being the only fish that everyone can agree on!

HH

[bdox]

If you are referring to what I said then I apologize.I was just trying to say that the only time that I can enjoy to go fishing a couple times a year that I'm frustrated that I can not even give my family a feed of walleye. If everyone took as little out of this resource as I did, there would not be any problem the walleye.

Why should you be able to feed an entire family on one fishing license? Maybe you should take your family fishing with you...

[Rod Caster]

The MNR didn't reduce the catch limit because of the decline in walleye, they did it as an olive branch to the First Nations... imo.

 

If my opinion is at all correct, then here is my supposition: they are not allowing the private stakeholders to stock the lake because, there isn't a need for it (fish pop's are not that bad) and the MNR is trying to reduce their own and private industry involvement. What they may be aiming for is a larger contribution from FIrst Nations on Lake Nipissing (and other lakes), which may mean that they are leaning towards the FN doing more in terms of lake management and/or stocking. The FN already wants more control of these things and some bands already do significant stocking/management programs. If the MNR is starting to pass-on the torch, then they won't be making any significant management decisions...as we are seeing right now.

 

 

The way I see it, the FN may actually do a better job at managing the lake than the MNR ever has.... if they have full control and the proper resources. How many of you are actually happy with the way the MNR manages things up north, or anywhere else for that matter? They keep getting cut back and seem to have less and less ability/talent to actually make proper decisions. If the FN have it their way, I think they'll do a great job because they won't hold a grudge anymore and they'll be working with a lot of pride...with a lot of prove.

 

All my opinion.... The MNR just seems to be at a stalemate on this topic, to me, this is a valid hypothesis.