davey buoy Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) Misfish got me thinking the other day. I have a 8/9 weight rod and reel and last fall bought all the lines and what not. Backing,floating line,leader,tippet I think and something else I'm sure. I almost want to get this rod set up,who,or where can I go to get someone to put it all together the first time so I can at least practice. Than with the plenty of set up videos, change or adjust as I go along. Not lessons yet,just the reel spooled up . Thanks.All the knots for each different size lines is what I don't know. Edited May 10, 2012 by davey buoy
Djeep Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) i would also like to know some knots for setting up. I attach the backing to fly line via an albright knot currently, this is what i use from there I have a heavy mono tied to my fly line with an albright(?) knot I tied an anchor knot in the end of the heavy mono I tie an anchor knot in the end of my leader leaving a small loop I use a loop to loop to connect the leader to mono loop attached to the fly line from there i use either a uni to uni or albright knot to attach the tippit I'm not sure if that helps. I kinda just patched this all together going off what was on the rod when I bought it (used). i bet someone will chime in with a much better answer haha. i think it is the albright knot i use but not sure. Edited May 10, 2012 by Djeep
davey buoy Posted May 10, 2012 Author Report Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) i would also like to know some knots for setting up. I attach the backing to fly line via an albright knot currently, this is what i use from there I have a heavy mono tied to my fly line with an albright(?) knot I tied an anchor knot in the end of the heavy mono I tie an anchor knot in the end of my leader leaving a small loop I use a loop to loop to connect the leader to mono loop attached to the fly line from there i use either a uni to uni or albright knot to attach the tippit I'm not sure if that helps. I kinda just patched this all together going off what was on the rod when I bought it (used). i bet someone will chime in with a much better answer haha. i think it is the albright knot i use but not sure. Watched a couple shows,the amount of knots are wild. That's why I'm thinking get set up once and as things deteriorate learn one at a time or so.Lol.. Edited May 10, 2012 by davey buoy
DRIFTER_016 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 The main knot for tying backing to flyline and leader to flyline is the Nail Knot. Best to get a nail knot tool as it makes tying them so much easier. This is one of the cheapest on the market. Nail Knot Tool How to tie the knot Nail Knot Tying Instructions The next most important knot is the blood knot or the double UNI. It is used for tying tippet to leader and tying tapered leaders (unless you by the knotless ones in the tackle store). Blood Knot Tying Instructions
misfish Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 I thought there was a needle type eye,that you could feed into the main line,and tie your lead to it? Good topic Dave. Lots of good info from My post,letsgofishing and now yours.
cuzza Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) Here's how I do it... I use an Arbour Knot to attach backing to the spool Then a nail knot to attach the backing to the fly line (make sure you attache it to the end with the "attach this end to the reel" type sticker on it! Most fly lines have a loop to attach the leader loop to loop, otherwise I nail knot a piece of mono to the fly line and put a perfection loop in it (surgeons loop would be fine too) Then use a surgeons knot to attach tippet to the end of the leader and a clinch knot for the fly to tippet. Djeep - you albrights will work just fine, the nail knots go through the guides a bit easier which is the only difference. Hope that helps Edited May 10, 2012 by cuzza
davey buoy Posted May 10, 2012 Author Report Posted May 10, 2012 Here's how I do it... I use an Arbour Knot to attach backing to the spool Then a nail knot to attach the backing to the fly line (make sure you attache it to the end with the "attach this end to the reel" type sticker on it! Most fly lines have a loop to attach the leader loop to loop, otherwise I nail knot a piece of mono to the fly line and put a perfection loop in it (surgeons loop would be fine too) Then use a surgeons knot to attach tippet to the end of the leader and a clinch knot for the fly to tippet. Djeep - you albrights will work just fine, the nail knots go through the guides a bit easier which is the only difference. Hope that helps It's a little overwhelming,but if I can get a calm time this weekend lol.,maybe I'll start winding the backing on the reel with my first knot and take it from there. Thanks.
Djeep Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 thanks guys, those knots sound much better and arent any harder. i received a knot tying tool with my rod but until now was unsure of how to use it so i never bothered. now im set to go.
Jet Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 Nail Knot is a must know as stated. Looks overwhelming using that straw so I use the Nail-Less Nail Knot which makes it real easy to do anytime. Double Surgeons Knot is another good one to know for attaching tippet to your leader. Triple Surgeon as well which is just an extra wrap over the Double Surgeon, when using fluorocarbon tippet.
davey buoy Posted May 10, 2012 Author Report Posted May 10, 2012 thanks guys, those knots sound much better and arent any harder. i received a knot tying tool with my rod but until now was unsure of how to use it so i never bothered. now im set to go. Knot tying tool now? geeeeeez!.
woodenboater Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 last line I bought (Rio) had a loop built in for attaching leaders etc.. but otherwise, nail knot like everyone suggests.
BillM Posted May 10, 2012 Report Posted May 10, 2012 I thought there was a needle type eye,that you could feed into the main line,and tie your lead to it? Good topic Dave. Lots of good info from My post,letsgofishing and now yours. Depends on your leader and flyline.. The Sharkskin I use has a loop, so that's how I put the leader on... No knot required.. As for tippet to leader I'll use a double surgeons. If I don't have a loop on my flyline, it's a nail knot like Dave mentioned above.
mirogak Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 I thought there was a needle type eye,that you could feed into the main line,and tie your lead to it? Good topic Dave. Lots of good info from My post,letsgofishing and now yours. I just learned this stuff over the winter and found that you really need to know 3 knots Nail knot - backing to main line (tricky and very forgetful)... I found 2 Perfection loops - main line to leader (easy) ... you could also do another nail knot here. Double surgeons knot - leader to tippet (real easy) Here are a series of videos I found useful.... For casting technique I found this guy really good. His name is Peter Kutzer and works for Orvis. His videos are pretty good. Subscribe to his channel, he has got a bunch of instructional videos. I think to start with you really need to know 2 casts ... your normal cast and the roll cast. Good luck. Miro
registerfly Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 don't forget about the perfection loop. easier to tie a small portion of mono to the fly line ( if it doesn't have a loop already) with your nail knot, then tie a perfection to the other end. Now all you need to do is loop your leader through that loop and you're set.
torco Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 I have not had to use a nail knot all my flylines have a welded loop. So I just use loop to loop connection. I have heard that for large fish ie steelhead, salmon, saltwater etc that some welded loops have failed so a nail knot is better. My guess is Drifter_016 (Dave) would know better on this since he lives way up north and from some of his reports chases some very big fish. Also on the last flyline I purchased it also had a loop at the end to attach to backing so I basically did an albright knot to the backing since I already a welded loop. Again this is only for small trout so I will likely never even get into the backing so i am sure it will hold up fine.
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