fisher Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 My dad recently signed up for an OFAH membership. He now got a letter in the mail saying that they recently sent him lottery tickets to sell and that if he could either return the tickets or send the money. Problem is that he never got the tickets. I will be emailing the contact on this recent letter he got to tell them. Did he agree to do this to begin with when he signed up? How can they impose this on their members without agreement first? My dad tends to over-react and I can tell you his first words were - don't renew my membership next year. He is old school and hates the thought of someone going after him for money - even though I assured him that they cannot possible force this on him. Anyway, curious if anyone knows anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinnerbaitking Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Tell them to take a Hike, this will happen as not everybody likes selling tickets, I'm one of them Tight Lines SBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McCutcheon Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 They do the same with the calendar. Send it to you and then three months later ask for the money to pay for it. It is up to you if you wish to do so. The same with the tickets. When I get them, I just send them a cheque back with my name on the stubs. It is one of the biggest ways for them to raise money for their projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmer Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I'm sure they keep track of all the tickets and will assign them as void if they don't get $$$$/stubs or tickets back from your Dad. I personally don't like this type of fundraising practice, but it must be successful if they have been doing it forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskywizard Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I really like some of the things the OFAH does, but it was that slimey lottery ticket practice that made me end my membership. That, and the amount of money they poured into the property and offices in Peterborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 OFAH, unfortunately I had to join as part of another club function otherwise I wouldn't. As for the tickets, if you didn't asf for them, thell them to ramm a granola bar in unsunny places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessy Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 They do the same with the calendar. Send it to you and then three months later ask for the money to pay for it. It is up to you if you wish to do so. The same with the tickets. When I get them, I just send them a cheque back with my name on the stubs. It is one of the biggest ways for them to raise money for their projects. lol the cost of them to run the lottery is higher than the amount they make... they give away 299 000 in prizes sell 760 000 in tickets but it cost them 777000 to run it for a loss of over 16 000 dollars.??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Prizes for these types of things are often "donated" or part of a sponsorship type deal. They certainly are not bought at retail price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisher Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Below is my email and the reply I got...makes me wonder how she "marked" my account not to send tickets in the future when it was my dad's account I was referring to and I never provided his info. Seems like a form email. I will have to send her a follow-up but at least I got a quick reply! Good Morning, I understand you are not wanting to participate in our fund raiser with buying lottery tickets and I have marked not to send in future. This is totally a volunteer option. As we are a nonprofit organization we depend on these fundraisers to help us do the conservation we are involved in. I apologize for the inconvenience has caused and we appreciate you as a member. Cathy Hi Cathy, My dad recently signed up for an OFAH membership. He now received a letter in the mail saying that the OFAH recently sent him lottery tickets to sell and requested that he either return the unsold tickets or send the money. Problem is that he never got the tickets. Did he agree to do this to begin with when he signed up? How can you impose this on your members without obtaining agreement first? My dad tends to over-react and I can tell you his first words were - don't renew my membership next year. He is old school and hates the thought of someone going after him for money - even though I assured him that your organization cannot possibly force this on him. Could you get back to me ASAP? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McCutcheon Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 lol the cost of them to run the lottery is higher than the amount they make... they give away 299 000 in prizes sell 760 000 in tickets but it cost them 777000 to run it for a loss of over 16 000 dollars.??????? To each their own I guess. I'm out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeontroller Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) I lost most of my respect for them when they didn't support the move to a limit of 2 Rainbow Trout in FMZ 20...Conservation organization??? I still buy a book of tickets though! I like winning stuff...Even though I hardly ever win anything, well sometimes but nothing big...2 rainbows in the boat per would have been plenty.... Edited April 24, 2012 by Pigeontroller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 lol the cost of them to run the lottery is higher than the amount they make... they give away 299 000 in prizes sell 760 000 in tickets but it cost them 777000 to run it for a loss of over 16 000 dollars.??????? I'm guessing these are just ball park numbers but I wouldn't think it would cost THAT much to run the lottery, otherwise what's the point ? Should be able to run it for waaay less I'd think. and yeah, negative billing sucks (this is what it is, let's be honest) and should be banned. and I may be wrong on their location (see it every time I drive up past P'boro) but why does a non profit need to have waterfront ? do they do public ed or outreach there ? that I could understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessy Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) I'm guessing these are just ball park numbers but I wouldn't think it would cost THAT much to run the lottery, otherwise what's the point ? Should be able to run it for waaay less I'd think. and yeah, negative billing sucks (this is what it is, let's be honest) and should be banned. and I may be wrong on their location (see it every time I drive up past P'boro) but why does a non profit need to have waterfront ? do they do public ed or outreach there ? that I could understand. nope not ball park figures... i asked revenue canada for there returns from last year... the lottery was run at a LOSS may be off a few thousand .. but over a 16 thousand dollar loss. Edited April 24, 2012 by chessy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Wow, thanks Chessy. Don't mean to speak ill of non profits but I don't like the sounds of this and I truly have a hard time understanding how it can cost close to 3/4 million to run a lottery. Hope they didn't pay for high priced help that sucked them dry. Was last year an anomaly or is this a pattern from previous years ? full disclosure: am currently not nor have I ever been a member of OFAH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chrisrobinson Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 and I may be wrong on their location (see it every time I drive up past P'boro) but why does a non profit need to have waterfront ? do they do public ed or outreach there ? that I could understand. The land was donated by a member, and the costs of the buildings were also donated or in-kind - no member dues were used. If you come into the lobby of either building, you'll see the donors listed (takes two walls for the conservation centre), and the story of the land donor. Outreach does happen on-site, at the Hunting and Fishing Heritage Centre and the Shimano Fishing Pond. OFAH / Mario Cortellucci Hunting & Fishing Heritage Centre You get what you pay for with Chessy's budget analysis - the simple question is: if the lottery didn't make money, would OFAH be doing it? For a proper assessment, you could instead review the auditor's report in our Annual Report (p.62-63), under the net fundraising line item: Annual Reports Chris Robinson OFAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thanks Chris ! I appreciate hearing from someone from OFAH. And agree, what would be the point of doing things at a loss, no one wins but the lawyers so to speak There are killer prizes in this year's lottery. Access to the Otanabee is a great resource and a great way to make the best use of your place. cheers, WB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessy Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) The land was donated by a member, and the costs of the buildings were also donated or in-kind - no member dues were used. If you come into the lobby of either building, you'll see the donors listed (takes two walls for the conservation centre), and the story of the land donor. Outreach does happen on-site, at the Hunting and Fishing Heritage Centre and the Shimano Fishing Pond. OFAH / Mario Cortellucci Hunting & Fishing Heritage Centre You get what you pay for with Chessy's budget analysis - the simple question is: if the lottery didn't make money, would OFAH be doing it? For a proper assessment, you could instead review the auditor's report in our Annual Report (p.62-63), under the net fundraising line item: Annual Reports Chris Robinson OFAH Well chris. yes you get what you pay for .. your anual report says nothing about profit from lottery just the number of tickets sold. on the paper work i have it breaks down the lottery and other fundrasiers and the lottery was at a loss last year .. i would suggest you go to head office and ask for yourself and come back here and say in a public fourm that i am WRONG ... again for a proper assessment call revenue canada and get the paper work and see who is wrong.. and i say again the lottery was run at a loss AND one more thing every other fundraiser you have you list the profit, but never mentioned the profit/LOSS of the lottery that should send alarms off on ever person that reads it. Edited April 24, 2012 by chessy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisher Posted April 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 After speaking to my dad about the Lottery and that he is not on the hook for the money, he said he may just buy the tickets next year (as long as he receioves them), but now after hearing that the Lottery is really losing money, I may have him reconsider. So, I reviewed the 88 page report as Chris suggested but cannot locate anything about the profit/loss of the Lottery specifically. The only thing I do see is the net fundraising for 2011 was $136,254 on the financial statements (but this appears to be for all fundrasing activities). A breakdown of each fundrasing event would be more telling. The report does also say 413,000 tickets were sold but, again, no breakdown of the expenses. Also, if you are raising close to $800,000 in ticket sales for the Lottery (I believe it is $2 each ticket), how can the net fundraising amount only be $136,254 for ALL fundraising activities (and there are a few of them)? I'd be curious for the actual numbers. Chessy, can you not post the line by line numbers of what you have from Rev Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I've been convinced to open this one back up...as long as it stays civil. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucktownAngler Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I've been convinced to open this one back up...as long as it stays civil. Thanks. Good call, im curious to hear the outcome on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Excellent. As an OFAH member I am eager to see Mr Robinson's response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessy Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 thank you for opening it back up.. i am waiting for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I just got a similar letter saying I didn't return the tickets. I don't even recall getting any tickets. I also join OFAH for a club. There are some good things they do but this lottery thing is not one of them imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucktownAngler Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 boy, this post died quick would love a response from the OFAH guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 It'll be back. There's no sense discussing this any further if we don't have and answer from OFAH but I'm certain that it's forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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