2 tone z71 Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 so I got a set of Mag 10 HS just itching to go ,whats the normal most common size rigger ball thats used any favorites in perticular,what else will I need got the rods/reels/tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discophish Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I just bought a pair of new mag 10's, and I still have to pick up the balls and 6" pedastals (man are they expensive!) , and retreivers. I will be running 8 pound balls. I was thinking of using bricks to save some money, but hey, I have already went this far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I just bought a pair of new mag 10's, and I still have to pick up the balls and 6" pedastals (man are they expensive!) , and retreivers. I will be running 8 pound balls. I was thinking of using bricks to save some money, but hey, I have already went this far I was gonna surface mount mine ,whats the reason for the risers and whats the retreiver for grabbing the ball ??? they look to be like great riggers,8lbs sounds good what are they worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discophish Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I have a feeling that with my luck, when I reach to retrieve the weight/line from the water, I will end up swimming. And knowing whom I'm with, they probably won't swing around to pick me up. So the retrievers will prevent from taking that unexpected swim, and perhaps save a bad back if you have one. I need to lift the units up so that the rods have enough clearance in the holders where I'm mounting them, and at the same time to save my back. I know it's only 6 inches, but I believe it will make a big difference. I can flush mount them as they are and they will clear the gunnels ... but I want them lifted. From what I see, balls are anywhere from 20 to 60 bucks more or less, depending on the design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I have a feeling that with my luck, when I reach to retrieve the weight/line from the water, I will end up swimming. And knowing whom I'm with, they probably won't swing around to pick me up. So the retrievers will prevent from taking that unexpected swim, and perhaps save a bad back if you have one. I need to lift the units up so that the rods have enough clearance in the holders where I'm mounting them, and at the same time to save my back. I know it's only 6 inches, but I believe it will make a big difference. I can flush mount them as they are and they will clear the gunnels ... but I want them lifted. From what I see, balls are anywhere from 20 to 60 bucks more or less, depending on the design. cool I like that idea I may have to look into them,thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Disco Phish how are ya planning on wiring them,are you gonna conceal the wire and use quick connects or just rough it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLLIWOGG Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 "I have a feeling that with my luck, when I reach to retrieve the weight/line from the water, I will end up swimming. And knowing whom I'm with, they probably won't swing around to pick me up." In the days of sailing ships sailors wore gold rings so that it would be worth stopping the boat and coming back for them if they went over the side. Maybe you should invest in some jewelry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silveradosheriff Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 DP - you may consider running a bar across the back. It provides a combination of practicality and safety.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discophish Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Disco Phish how are ya planning on wiring them,are you gonna conceal the wire and use quick connects or just rough it It would be ideal to connect them short to a panel so that they can be taken out easily. You wouldn't want to run the wires under surfaces where it will be too much of an inconvenience to disconnect if you want them portable. Eventually, I would aslo like to loop the switch at the dash and have control of them at 2 locations. I haven't looked into that yet. In the days of sailing ships sailors wore gold rings so that it would be worth stopping the boat and coming back for them if they went over the side. Maybe you should invest in some jewelry. Interesting to know, I have actually never heard of that. That's a wise insurance policy to invest in. Hope the sailors didn't wear too much that it them sink faster than they could be saved. Too ironic! DP - you may consider running a bar across the back.It provides a combination of practicality and safety.... Excellent suggestion SS. I was thinking about that and wish I could, but the boat we have is already small enough (16 foot Princecraft). I thought about the idea when Irishfield was explaining his progress on his mounts. Unfortunately we would need a bigger boat, because we are having a hard enough time making our space resourceful as it is. Great job on yours! What do you think about this Z71? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 ....I've used a number of cannon ball styles over the years and I'm partial to anything not round. I picked up a pair of these in black (10lb) last fall and but have yet to try them. I've no doubt they'll do the job. I wouldn't hesitate to go 10lb or even 12lb as I find 8lb to be just a little light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Well 8lb are not too bad if you are not running deep,i use 10-12lb,thats the most common weights,for salmon & bows on lake ontario,8lb balls will track to far back,when trolled deep,and wont give you a true dept,also the io & 12 will almost be sraight down,making it possible to see on some graphs,mine pick them up just perfect,so thats something to consider too,as well as what you have your riggers mounted too,you dont want 15lb balls on a 2 inch thick transom,it will pull your boat apart,so theres some things to check for sure !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 (edited) im gonna mount mine on the flat pads on each side of the transom I can get my hand in there so maybe hopefully ill be able to thru bolt them,then on each side im gonna run a 12 V disconnect for each rigger and neat up the wiring,I think after reading the last few posts ill stick with a 8-10 lbs ball dont wanna rip the back of my boat off lol Edited March 24, 2008 by 2 Tone Z71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silveradosheriff Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I hear you DP - but that set-up is on my 16'7". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icefisherman Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I too got pair of new Mag 10 HS recently and just mounted them on my Lund yesterday. Boy do they look nice.....pictures to come shorlty when finish all installations.... I've been using 10 Lbs so far but am planning to switch to 12 Lbs for the new season to minimize the drag. By the way Mag 10'S are rated for up to 20 Lbs. so plenty of room to move up. Cheers, Ice Fisherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishdawg Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 10 lbs are good use 12 is your running a temp probe to minamize the blow back when possible & practible, try to mount all the down riggers & rod holders on the corners & the side gunnels - try to leave the back wide open to allow plenty of room to net fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 thanks fellas all cannon ball @ mounting info appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLLIWOGG Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 when you bolt them on try to get a plywood or metal plate backer on the inside. I wouldn't go under 10lb and keep them the same so they track together in turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) Don't use anything less than 10 lb balls. The stress is really nothing on the boat however, when I first mounted my Cannon down-riggers 23 years ago I was also concerned but I have no problems after all these years. Again go 10 lbs minimum. BTW use SWIVEL MOUNTS. This makes it very easy to rig as the ball can be swiveled into the boat. This is really important on rough days. Edited March 25, 2008 by Billy Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Don't use anything less than 10 lb balls. The stress is really nothing on the boat however, when I first mounted my Cannon down-riggers 23 years ago I was also concerned but I have no problems after all these years. Again go 10 lbs minimum. BTW use SWIVEL MOUNTS. This makes it very easy to rig as the ball can be swiveled into the boat. This is really important on rough days. thanks they came with the swivel mount that will work great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlocked Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Just bought a few of these in plain black on the recommendation of many hardcore big water trollers: http://www.sharkcannonballs.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Just bought a few of these in plain black on the recommendation of many hardcore big water trollers:http://www.sharkcannonballs.com/ those are nice how much they ding ya for shipping ,I hate UPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlocked Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Actually picked them up locally at Angling Outfitters in Woodstock. Don't be discouraged by the prices shown on that site, I paid quite a bit less but for the life of me can't remember how much since it wasn't the only purchase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Just bought a few of these in plain black on the recommendation of many hardcore big water trollers:http://www.sharkcannonballs.com/ VERY nice. I like the looks and shape but $75 - $79 each is way more than I would ever pay for a cannon ball. I got my cannon balls for less than $20 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Cannonball weights depend on depth typically up to 60ft deep 8lb up to 100ft deep 10lb 100+ ft deep 12+lb the heavier the cannon ball, the less blowback you'll recieve also need to go heavier if you're running a down speed probe... as for rigger boards/risers... i can custom make them for you if you'd like... i've done a bunch for people... samples of my work: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Yes those sharks are expensive,but they work just as good as an attractor too !!!! man those salmon key right in on those sharks big time,sometimes they will even strike the shark we have seen it on camera !!!! they are worth their money for sure !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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