This is the first year that I have. Usually by late October I get the boat to the Niagara area and fish the upper river a few times before Dec 15. The past few years have been really lousy on the upper so this year I decided just to keep the boat here instead. I don't regret the decision! Doing it this way got me out to Kawarthas probably 3 extra times. Early November we got 2 (38'ish, 45), mid november was a skunking, early december we got this one plus the "one that got away". My 3 or 4 trips that I would have done in Niagara likely would not have been as good (based on how lousy we did in the past - 1 fish in 3 trips last year, 1 fish in 4 trips the year before - both mid 30's fish but chunky - they are heavier down there)