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If you saw what went on at the rest stop at seguin trail this weekend you’d understand why that garbage got shut down immediately. Unfortunately it seems too many in the snowmobile crowd and honestly the fishing crowd are the type that think this is a “plandemic” honestly it feels like we unfortunately have a disproportionate number of people that fall into this category crowds of out of towners meeting up with their buddies, no masks, no distancing, carrying on without a care in the world has the locals up there ticked off..and honestly it’s rightfully so.

When I was in university taking statistics our profs made it very clear that you can prove basically any point (often opposite points!) by looking at the same set of statistics. For instance...you might say "there are 300 people on ventilators in Ontario due to covid, isn't that terrible"? Someone else might say "there are 450 hospitals in Ontario, with only 300 people on ventilators. Isn't that great? Not even 1 person per hospital (on average) needing a ventilator". The key is, you have to look at information with a critical mind. Don't just say someone has "spewed misinformation" and used "false statistics" simply because you prefer the message the other side says. Do you really know that their information is accurate? Have you been present at all the testing? Of course not. We just tend to "agree" with the information that suits are belief. But does that make your opinion correct and the other person wrong? We can't discount something as false if we don't really know so. Many prominent doctors agree with Baber. Shoot, even the previous Chief Medical Officer of Health in Ontario, Dr. Richard Schabas, who served for over 10 years in that capacity, has publicly stated that Baber is correct. Who are we to say "one guy is lying" when you have real professionals on both side of the argument? Like most situations, the truth generally lies somewhere between the 2 opinions. But let's put it this way...real life, not depending on "information" that neither of us can prove. I am a funeral director and I have been partially laid off for almost a year. Every single funeral director I know has also been partially (or fully) laid off in the past year. 25 years I have been doing this, and NEVER in my career have I ever seen a single director laid off. Now everyone I know has? You don't think that is a bit ironic? Funeral directors laid off in a pandemic? That is real life...not a statistic. All I am saying is don't be so quick to discount an opinion simply because you disagree with it. Laid off funeral directors are living proof Baber and Dr. Schabas may have a point.

Yeah it’s too bad , but lazy of the local health unit shut it down rather then enforcing the rules I would like to see everyone not obey the law charged and leave to people who are following the lock down rules

I'm not saying this is correct in any way, but through an argument with a buddy who is a somewhat anti-masker, this 99.98% is a US figure for one & second it is meant as anyone under the age of 65 has a 99.98% chance of survival. I may look into those numbers at some point but it is also used, I feel, in a very smug way which makes me discount it right off the bat!

Ha---gotta steal that one----or maybe rent it!!!😁

I’m not here to get into an argument, but as you mentioned, statistics are statistics, they aren’t something “opinions” get to decide. baber in his letter references a 99.98% survival rate. (This is the classic conspiracy theory survival rate) I have absolutely no idea where it derives from but it is false. the math is actually quite simple, you take the total amount of deaths in canada and you divide it by the number of cases. 2.53% of people that have contracted covid have died. I don’t need opinion based articles etc to calculate that. Go and look at the epidiomology reports and do the division yourself, it’s pretty easy.

I agree. IMO, if the old rules had been enforced we would not be in the state we are in now. We have seen Ford go on and on but not using his authority to see that the blatant violators were punished---Trinity Bellwoods etc etc. Brampton seemed to be an exception.

With my garage being an "essential" service, my shop is allowed to be open. (Not that I'm making money being open; it's so slow I can barely cover my tech's wages) We are taking every possible precaution that I/we can. We all wear masks at all times; that we're here. I have a limit of three people in my front office/waiting room. I've had to ask a number of people to leave my reception area, because they were not wearing a face covering/mask. There is a plexiglass barrier at the customer counter. Signs on the entrance door; telling people about the mask and the number of people allowed in at any one time. (That no one ever seems to read) I've also began taking customer's temperatures with a lazar type, touch less forehead thermometer; when they come . Record that info with their name, Phone number, time, their temp and the date. If they have a fever we ask them to leave and go get tested for covid, We all use disposable medical type gloves and change them for every vehicle that we're working on. Wipe ignition key, ignition lock, steering wheel and whatever we need to touch that we're working on inside the vehicle; with a sanitizing cloth. The temperature taking and recording of that data is a suggestion from the legal department (Lawyer) at my wife's work place. The Covid cops will like to see us doing that; that's so they can contact these people, making sure they've gone for testing. I was concerned that people wouldn't like having their temp taken; but to my surprise they (so far) seem fine with it. So what else is there to do? It's a lot more expense and time doing what we are and then not knowing if we're helping with cutting the spread? Oh Man I Hate These Times! Dan.

No, they are not closing them because they consider them a business, they are closing them because of complaints to the Health Unit (Yes, my partner does work for the the Health Unit). Parking lots full of out-of-town vehicles could very easily generate the same level of complaints related to ice-fishing.

Well, none of the above mentioned will get us out of this sooner than later. Suggesting that humans use "common sense", something that is obviously in short supply these days is yet another way to extend these stay at home orders. Not listening to people who are trained, educated and experienced because of a presumed right to do as we please, is simply ignorant. No one on this board can say with impunity that they are not an asymptomatic carrier. We have a retirement home just down the road from our house. There are 100 residents in the home. As of yesterday, half of the residence have tested positive, ten have died and 30 staff are infected. The disease did not walk in the front by it's self. Most of the folks in the home are war vets who IMHO deserve better than to die from what others perceive to be "common sense". Unless you are an expert in communicable diseases, you don't get to suggest what "common sense is; your just fooling yourselves and potentially folks who are vulnerable. Ignoring the problem has got us to where we are now. I get the feeling that many here haven't had this plague hit them personally. I bet that when it does, some of these attitudes will flip pretty quick. HH

X2...............we call them little balls from hell......... X3 I call sprouts cabbage turds! Now if my wife saw that dish, she'd be sitting right next to you; acting like Oliver Twist "Please Sir I Want Some More" LOL Dan.

Agreed, It seems like 85 percent of the comments on articles and on Twitter don't agree with much of what the government is doing, and are against this lockdown. I would be super pissed if I owned a small shop or restaurant and forced to close when I could easily space 10 people inside and follow protocols, yet every big box is open and has hundreds of people. It's also pathetic that they keep letting flight after fight come in to the country but I'm not supposed too see my close friends? It would be nice if the other side of the story the damage of locking everyone down was able to be out there and acknowledged.

My view on do's and don'ts is a little different. Everyone is looking for loopholes to carry on with their regular lives. We have a Federal government that tells us to stay home yet allows plane load after plane load to arrive at our airports simply telling those on board that they must self isolate? If those who choose to fly are that self entitled what makes us think that they will voluntarily quarantine? Since Jan 1 thirty (30) planes arrived in Canada with passengers that had Covid-19. We have a Provincial government that rather than doing what they should have done many months ago played the political two step and look where that has got us, a proverbial poop show! They now have declared a state of emergency with regulations that are unenforceable. It's a fact that Covid-19 does not get on a plane or in a car or on a snow machine. It needs a carrier, WE are the carrier. It did not enter nursing homes to infect our loved ones by osmosis, WE took it in getting infected elsewhere in the community. Let's be honest with ourselves, unless you get tested constantly, most of us have no idea if we are an asymptomatic carrier spreading Covid-19 wherever we go. It appears as though based on the current level of vaccination it will be a year before everyone is vaccinated. I guess STAY HOME is the one thing that WE can all do to help the cause. If WE don't move around it can't!

Yes I agree medical staff are working their asses off and could easily bring the virus home with them. So I'm not belittling them by any means; my daughter is a registered nurse at sick kids, here in London. But what about the other essential workers/businesses out there; me being one. I have signs on my customer entranced door; "must wear face covering to enter, no more then 3 clients at a time in the front office/waiting room". Your name, time, date and your temperature will be logged in on our visitors sheet. Who was my first client through the door this morning, a non compliant that had no mask; saying what does it matter. I asked him to leave; man was he pissed that I wouldn't work on his vehicle. I wasn't willing to take a risk of catching the virus or the fine for allowing him not to obey the new rules. Oh man my business is sucking a hind t!t! Not sure how I'm going to pay January's bills. I have three grandkids now and I'm not going to let them or the rest of may family down over profit. This is Dan stepping off his soap box. The hounds are calling though! Dan.