Rant

[scugpg]

Liberals cant handle the fact they are not in office.

canada has voted and they got the conservatives. \

 

The Liberals made a very big mistake in having Dion as their leader. To this day I think this is what cost them the last election. Get out and vote if it happens people!

[hotrod]

The Liberals made a very big mistake in having Dion as their leader

 

Now they have the guy who couldn't beat Dion. Come on people, vote for anyone BUT the liberal bagmen. Iggy's in it for himself.

[hotrod]

The Liberals made a very big mistake in having Dion as their leader

 

Now they have the guy who couldn't beat Dion. Come on people, vote for anyone BUT the liberal bagmen. Iggy's in it for himself.

[Lunatic]

I find it funny that Michael Ignatieff is saying that the reason we are in a deficit and jobless is because of harper. hahaha, of course it has nothing to do with the world recession! lol , no wait its harpers fault that the world is in recession.

 

we can vote Michael Ignatieff and the liberals in just as we are coming out of the recession so they can take credit for it,and we get stuck with them for another 50 years.

 

thankfully not all of us are as stupid as they would like to think we are.

 

im sure if the conservatives win again Michael Ignatieff will leave the country for another 20 or 30 years. (one can hope)

[alctel]

Sorry, but what bugs me more is wasting money. tell me, what issue has been brought up that is worth another 300 million and the 4th vote in five years. Pure Greed on the PM Wannabees.

 

Harper keeps releasing confidence motions when parliment votes on bills. The other parties either have to pass the bill (which most of the time they, along with 60% of the country dislike) or by law an election is called.

 

I think Harpers government has completely smashed the record, they are supposed to be used in dire emergencies only but he is calling them on EVERYTHING...

 

The fact that Harper can't beat the other two should have told him to step down. The country needs a new face and a new direction. Other leaders have run minority governments quite effectively, but Harper cannot. Time to move on Stephen.

 

I HATE HATE Harper and the mess he has got Canada into, but he is damn good at getting his own way considering that he only gets 35% of the vote, he is an excellent politician, even if he is a terrible leader.

 

I find it funny that Michael Ignatieff is saying that the reason we are in a deficit and jobless is because of harper. hahaha, of course it has nothing to do with the world recession! lol , no wait its harpers fault that the world is in recession.

 

Actually it pretty much his fault that it was so bad. Canada had a 'recession fund' of reserve money stashed away so if the worst came to the worst we could spend our way out of it. Harper decides to cut the GST by 2%, which drains all the money we had saved and then 6 months later the recession happened. He then tries to pass a TERRIBLE stimulus plan that does almost nothing and his finance minister is caught lying about how much debt Canada is actually in. If he'd actually done nothing it would be an improvement.

 

The only reason that it wasn't even worse is that our banks were fine, due to extremely strong regulation which was put in place in the 40's and 50's. Harper and his conservative colleagues tried to get rid of these regulations a few years back (believing in the power of the free market), but luckily failed, otherwise our banks would be collapsing all over the place just like the US.

 

And don't even get me started on how he waived environmental laws and protections so the oil sands can carry on poisoning SK, manitoba and Northern Ontario

Edited September 10, 2009 by alctel

[holdfast]

Now they have the guy who couldn't beat Dion. Come on people, vote for anyone BUT the liberal bagmen. Iggy's in it for himself.

 

Are you talking about the same Iggy that Flip/Flops. The Guy that never paid Canadian taxes for 26 Years. All he talks about is his Resume, His Books. The Guy when questioned on his Policies, he says .YOU WAIT AND SEE. Ill vote and hope for the Guy thats been called a Racist, War Monger, Bushlover, The Guy that got us into Afghanistan, he wears Sweaters, Has Hidden Agendas, but Horror of Horrors, Pockets the Biscuit instead of eating it during a funeral. I forgot, wants to take the Arts away from Quebecers. Hes my man, just hope his get tough on crime Policies start getting through once the opposition is out of the way.

[Guest ThisPlaceSucks]

...and i hope you learn when you're supposed to use capital letters!

[alctel]

Are you talking about the same Iggy that Flip/Flops. The Guy that never paid Canadian taxes for 26 Years. All he talks about is his Resume, His Books. The Guy when questioned on his Policies, he says .YOU WAIT AND SEE. Ill vote and hope for the Guy thats been called a Racist, War Monger, Bushlover, The Guy that got us into Afghanistan, he wears Sweaters, Has Hidden Agendas, but Horror of Horrors, Pockets the Biscuit instead of eating it during a funeral. I forgot, wants to take the Arts away from Quebecers. Hes my man, just hope his get tough on crime Policies start getting through once the opposition is out of the way.

 

His 'tough on crime' policy is a travesty - they tried that stuff in the US and look what happened - crime rate through the roof, massive expenses on prison and 1 in 10 males have done time at some point! Mandatory minimum sentences DO NOT WORK and in fact make things a lot worse in most cases - there is a mountain of data from other countries that support this.

 

edit: not to say that Iggy doesn't suck - he does but he is better (barely) than Harper

 

edit2: I LOVE talking about politics by the way, and no offence is meant to anyone

Edited September 10, 2009 by alctel

[hotrod]

Actually it pretty much his fault that it was so bad

 

So that means it's his fault that we're coming out of this in better shape than most western countries then? what would Iggy have done different other than to spend more? as has been said earlier you can't have it both ways.

 

Harper and his conservative colleagues tried to get rid of these regulations a few years back (believing in the power of the free market), but luckily failed, otherwise our banks would be collapsing all over the place just like the US.

 

I don't think so, the reason the banks collapsed in the States was because the Dems (Barney Fwank) forced the banks to give mortgages to people who could never pay them. Thankfully we don't have socialists running our country like they do down south now. I believe in the free market and don't look to the gov't to wipe my ass and feed me.

[holdfast]

His 'tough on crime' policy is a travesty - they tried that stuff in the US and look what happened - crime rate through the roof, massive expenses on prison and 1 in 10 males have done time at some point! Mandatory minimum sentences DO NOT WORK and in fact make things a lot worse in most cases - there is a mountain of data from other countries that support this.

 

edit: not to say that Iggy doesn't suck - he does but he is better (barely) than Harper

 

edit2: I LOVE talking about politics by the way, and no offence is meant to anyone

 

Read on Buddy. I agree we need these Bills. As far as being like the Americans. Typical Whacky lefty reaction. Read on Buddy

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianp...81COa1o4pM5Z9cQ

By the way, Im amused that you love Lurking at my comments.

[holdfast]

...and i hope you learn when you're supposed to use capital letters!

LOL Im sorry DR, if your talking about me. My fat Fingers got used to feeling for trip wires and fuses in sand and snow instead of the key board, thanks for bringing that up, Ill try my best to be as good as you.

[alctel]

So that means it's his fault that we're coming out of this in better shape than most western countries then? what would Iggy have done different other than to spend more? as has been said earlier you can't have it both ways.

 

We came out of it better despite Harper, not because of him. Like I said, if he'd managed to shoot down the regulations that we have on our banks then we'd been in deep deep trouble.

 

I don't think so, the reason the banks collapsed in the States was because the Dems (Barney Fwank) forced the banks to give mortgages to people who could never pay them. Thankfully we don't have socialists running our country like they do down south now. I believe in the free market and don't look to the gov't to wipe my ass and feed me.

 

No, what happened is that they got rid of all the banking regulations that stopped predatory loans, allowing the banks to go hog wild and give terrible advice and terrible mortgages to people. These were designed with deceptively low rates at first, that then got jacked up 4 to 5 times the original interest rate. People couldn't pay them and defaulted, so banks packaged up all these 'high risk' loans and sold them to other banks, who packaged them up with other similar toxic assists and sold them back, effectively creating money out of thin air.

 

When enough people lost their house the entire thing came crashing down and the 'invisible money' vanished (or more exactly, it never existed). It was entirely the fact that the 'free market' was allowed to run rampant that caused the collapse in the first place. Canada avoided the giant banking collapse that followed because our banks are heavily regulated by the government, and weren't allowed to give out such predatory loans.

 

The US is nowhere near socialist, AT ALL, they have a terrible terrible privatised health and prison system (which noone else in the developed world has) and the fact that all the right wing talking heads are spouting that is pretty sad, since they have no idea what the word means obviously.

 

Read on Buddy. I agree we need these Bills. As far as being like the Americans. Typical Whacky lefty reaction. Read on Buddy

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianp...81COa1o4pM5Z9cQ

By the way, Im amused that you love Lurking at my comments.

 

That link just says that they are trying to force the bill through. I'll dig up some reports from around the world that show mandatory minimum sentences are terrible ideas. (for example the proposed legislation means that if you are caught with a certain about of marijuana (I think a 1/4?) its automatic jail time. Do you really think thats a good idea?)

 

 

Thanks for the discussion by the way!

Edited September 10, 2009 by alctel

[bigugli]

Oh Boy, you got that right. I dare you just check out the comments on the CBC Website when a Soldier Dies. Check it out. There are Soldiers in Theatre that read those Posts. There are computer terminals for Entertainment when they do get a chance, Its just sickening and downright Treasonistic on those comments. As far as Duty to vote and how lucky we are. Any Soldier that's been overseas will tell ya, Gad, is that ALL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS VOTING? I found out that Soldier, is a Bad word now in this country. I just made some more enemies on this board.

" Soldier " or "sailor" have been dirty words in this country since the early 60's. Same goes for other words like "duty", "honour", "loyalty" or "patriotism". Nothing new in that.

[POLLIWOGG]

Isn't it today that it goes to court to see if the last election was legal? I think it is and if it is decided that the PM broke the law how much jail time do you think he'll get? It was a smart move he campaigned for about a year before calling the election and then had everybody so pissed at him and his personal attacks that he had to beg for a time out.

[holdfast]

Isn't it today that it goes to court to see if the last election was legal? I think it is and if it is decided that the PM broke the law how much jail time do you think he'll get? It was a smart move he campaigned for about a year before calling the election and then had everybody so pissed at him and his personal attacks that he had to beg for a time out.

 

Yea a waste of Tax Payers money. A Coalition of citizens ( Lefties) taking our elected Prime Minister to a Kangaroo court with the tax Payers money. That is Pretty desperate.

[holdfast]

We came out of it better despite Harper, not because of him. Like I said, if he'd managed to shoot down the regulations that we have on our banks then we'd been in deep deep trouble.

 

 

 

No, what happened is that they got rid of all the banking regulations that stopped predatory loans, allowing the banks to go hog wild and give terrible advice and terrible mortgages to people. These were designed with deceptively low rates at first, that then got jacked up 4 to 5 times the original interest rate. People couldn't pay them and defaulted, so banks packaged up all these 'high risk' loans and sold them to other banks, who packaged them up with other similar toxic assists and sold them back, effectively creating money out of thin air.

 

When enough people lost their house the entire thing came crashing down and the 'invisible money' vanished (or more exactly, it never existed). It was entirely the fact that the 'free market' was allowed to run rampant that caused the collapse in the first place. Canada avoided the giant banking collapse that followed because our banks are heavily regulated by the government, and weren't allowed to give out such predatory loans.

 

The US is nowhere near socialist, AT ALL, they have a terrible terrible privatised health and prison system (which noone else in the developed world has) and the fact that all the right wing talking heads are spouting that is pretty sad, since they have no idea what the word means obviously.

 

 

 

That link just says that they are trying to force the bill through. I'll dig up some reports from around the world that show mandatory minimum sentences are terrible ideas. (for example the proposed legislation means that if you are caught with a certain about of marijuana (I think a 1/4?) its automatic jail time. Do you really think thats a good idea?)

 

 

Thanks for the discussion by the way!

 

Your Marijuana example is over exaggerated as usual from the opponents. Lets try raising sexual consent to a minority from 14 to 16. I think it has passed already thanks to Stockwell Day. Can you imagine someone having legal sex with your daughter of 14. That is absurd. One of the bills held up by the opposition is the curbing the power of judges to sentence convicted criminals to house arrest rather than jail time on a variety of more serious crimes. No your Maryjane example is not one of them. We are talking about Breaking and Entering (see how you feel if your place of safety and you have been violated) Auto theft, and Violent sexual offenses. These are all thought out Bills that the lefties criticism is what you have mentioned. Oh my God, we'll be like the Americans. Also there is another Bill for automatic prison time to 10 years in serious cases. All in all, at this time there are too many criminals getting away with murder with no deterrent because of our current criminal system. At Least he has done something. Did I mention Arctic Sovereignty thanks to your Global Warming Panic or Prediction. Yea your right. Bad Link but thanks for forcing me to do some Homework. read and weep Buddie.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...me=&no_ads=

Edited September 10, 2009 by holdfast

[Cookslav]

...and i hope you learn when you're supposed to use capital letters!

 

Shouldn't "i" be capitalized LOL!!!!

How’s that crow taste?

 

Politics brings out the best in us I see?

Spelling police raids...unprovoked and waiting to pounce

 

Fiberals had their time and they blew it....

I would like to see a blue majority and be done with it.

If they screw it up then I'll consider that next time around.

 

If Iggy wants to go to the polls it'll be a mistake.

Fiberals are loud, but I have a sneaking suspicion Canada will send him a message

he's not expecting....

[POLLIWOGG]

You like his tough on crime policies as long as he's not the one doing the crime?

[Lunatic]

Isn't it today that it goes to court to see if the last election was legal? I think it is and if it is decided that the PM broke the law how much jail time do you think he'll get? It was a smart move he campaigned for about a year before calling the election and then had everybody so pissed at him and his personal attacks that he had to beg for a time out.

 

If Harper goes to court,he can take with him a breifcase. where he can open it,and take out golf balls and talk about them.

[Alumacraft]

Instead of an election and spending 300 million why not give every Canadian an equall share of the money to give the economy boost

[bigfish1965]

Ummmm isn't Harper the PM? he beat the other 2.

 

No...he didn't. Most Canadians voted against him. He called the last election moments after he made it illegal to do so. How on earth does that make him even remotely credible?

The regionalism on both sides is very dangerous.

The PQ should be forced to have the expense of running in the majority of Canadian ridings just like all other parties. The west needs to get over their paranoia of Toronto. Our seats are representative of population, which seems the fairest way to do it. If the PC's cannot get a foothold there against what is left of the Liberals, they are doing something wrong.

As TJ said, our parties are so homogenised they are of very little difference.

[hotrod]

You're really in denial aren't you Bigfish? the PM is not the PM? wow you lefties really do look at things differently. I agree with Winston Churchill.

[Headhunter]

So, your in your boat and you have one seat left open for the day. There standing on the dock, looking at you are:

Stephen

Iggy

Jack

Gilles

Elizabeth

Which one do you invite to spend the day fishing with you?

PS... you aren't allowed to take your own life in the scenario!

HH

[Raf]

harper's done an admirable job all things considered. i am sick of my left leaning peers here in southern ontario. you can spin it anyway you want but the fact is, his party won the election - deal with it for the whole term. the whole bloc, ndp, liberal 'power grab' last year was an insult to canadian voters. let's just piss away another $300 mill.

[holdfast]

No...he didn't. Most Canadians voted against him. He called the last election moments after he made it illegal to do so. How on earth does that make him even remotely credible?

The regionalism on both sides is very dangerous.

The PQ should be forced to have the expense of running in the majority of Canadian ridings just like all other parties. The west needs to get over their paranoia of Toronto. Our seats are representative of population, which seems the fairest way to do it. If the PC's cannot get a foothold there against what is left of the Liberals, they are doing something wrong.

As TJ said, our parties are so homogenised they are of very little difference.

Ha ha ha good one, It should of been Jack, Gilles, Elezabeth or Dion with their votes. Tell us another one. Really if you look at it, we should have only three parties. We are looking like Europeans Everyday. No Wonder. The East should get over their Parania of Harper. No he has not proved to be a Racist, No he will not Arm all Canadians, No he will not move Ottawa to Edmonton, Hes probably seen Obama more than Bush. No he will not stop immigration, mabe toughen it I hope.

Edited September 10, 2009 by holdfast