skeeter Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) 97 ski doo 500 sle touring does anybody have an idea on how much it is to rebuild the engine? any members here do that sort of work? does anyone know of a good and reasonable place? ITS NOT SEIZED...... i can turn the primary clutch by hand 3 or 4 turns backwards. then it gives a clink and stops turning, like there is something caught in it. i can then pull the start cord and it will turn foward the same amount and stop. both pistons are moving up and down. the plugs are a greyish brown and dry. the fan belt is still in working order and it also turns when i turn the clutch..... so now im hoping some one will be able to tell me what they think it could be..... thanks dann Edited February 10, 2009 by skeeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skeeter99 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 how do you know it is seized? what happened explain? we might be able to help a engine for that are a dime a dozen (good thing) but they are very good engines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pike slayer Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 need more info on the blown motor! you can check out www.dootalk.com or www.hardcoresledder.com both great sled sites and you can find all the info on there plus parts to. good luck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) i was driving out on simcoe today and it lost power and quite. when you turn the key it only gives a loud clink. the pull cord will not come out. and the front clutch will not turn by hand even with the drive belt off and it died right in the middle of a slush pond the slush went right over the top of my boots i did drive thru quite a few of them.. Edited February 7, 2009 by skeeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pike slayer Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 k definitly seized it right up and more then likely the top end. the question is how bad the cylinders are. if they arent in bad conidtion and just need to be honed then you need a piston kit. you can get full kits on ebay for $89 or though the dealer for $300ish. if the cylinders arent bad then it should be 2-3hours shop time. if you got a mangled cylinder then its gonna cost you alot unless you can find a used one. good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 thanks for the help pike slayer!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) More than likely a piston has seized. But why did it happen? These engines are quite durable. There is usually a cause to the problem. Most of the time it is because of a lean condition from a restricted jet in a carburator or a bad seal in the crankcase. See this happen often where guys come in buy the parts and get thier buddy to fix them up but they don't fix the real issue. Then they blame the machine Edited February 8, 2009 by Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) .. or is your oil reservour still FULL ? ie engine running on straight gas and oil injection failed. I'm real curious as to the cause since I'm driving the exact same sled in a 98 model. Edited February 8, 2009 by irishfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lack of oil is a real possibility Wayne, but conditions today would call for a lot more throttle in slush and heavy snow and that's where lean carbs blow pistons. I had mine out on the lake today too and had it pinned to the bar several times. That's why I suggested that is the "likely" cause. It was more for a heads up to fix the cause as well as the symptom for anyone when fixing up any kind of engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 oil tank is just under the half way mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 someone suggested that slush might have gotten into the engine, and to take out the plugs and try to pull it over and see if water comes out.... is this a possibility??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 No it wouldn't. The only way is if it was submerged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 thanks bernie. any idea how much to get it rebuilt? and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) Don't know too many shops down your way Skeeter. Perhaps some other OFC'ers could suggest a local for you. As far as an estimate goes it will depend a lot on what needs to be replaced. And you won't know for sure until it comes apart. Edited February 8, 2009 by Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 would it turn over once it cooled off,tell ya powering thru that slush is tough on them ,those Rotary 500s are tough,but nothing lasts forever,300.00 for a set of 20 thou Wisecos ,80 cyl to bore em ,get a crank from Adrien Bernard for 400.00 and a gasket set for 80.00 ya got yourself a new plant, hopefulloy the rotary faces arent all scared from metal fragments and the brass gear survived the lock up your good to go.I do 3-4 Rotary Rebuilds a winter 1000.00 plus your own labour your back in buisness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTER Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 $1000 in parts, plus labour = ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmaster Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 doing the same thing right now to the same kind of sled,,,piston melt down due to fan belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmaster Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Berns sled blew a plug then just quit like yours out on the ice... We hauled it home and ripped it apart and this is what you will probably find when you get the piston out of yours... Fan belt was slipping so no cooling or little engine cooling on the clutch side means an overheated engine, specially when going through the slush out there. Ordering the parts first thing tomorrow and should be back up and running by Wednesday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 You may already be familiar with these folks skeeter, but if not their a snowmobile dealer/repair shop on Kennedy Road. I used to buy all my snowmobile clothing from them years ago, but never had any repairs done there. They've been around for alot of years though, so they must be doing something right and would possibly be able to help you out if your unable to do the repairs yourself. http://cdn-9.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/i..._image_both.jpg EDIT>>>>> That link I posted doesn't seem to work but just type Snow City Cycle into Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 thanks for all the help guys. guess tomorrow i will have a rough estimate on the price. after many phone calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carll2 Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 would it turn over once it cooled off,tell ya powering thru that slush is tough on them ,those Rotary 500s are tough,but nothing lasts forever,300.00 for a set of 20 thou Wisecos ,80 cyl to bore em ,get a crank from Adrien Bernard for 400.00 and a gasket set for 80.00 ya got yourself a new plant, hopefulloy the rotary faces arent all scared from metal fragments and the brass gear survived the lock up your good to go.I do 3-4 Rotary Rebuilds a winter 1000.00 plus your own labour your back in buisness [/ your better off going with millenium in the states for a crank..too many horror stories from ad bernard..dealt with him once and that was my last time!! btw maybe you have water in your gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F7Firecat Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 jeezuz those pics show what happens when it overheats big time!!! Skeeter, Don't just throw a new top end in it. Make sure you find out why it blew. If it was lean could bean air leak in the seal, intake boot. Did you pull the plugs and see what they looked like? Coould also be an oil pump going for a sheeeeeeet. Lots of used stuff around as mentioned before. Good ole sleds. wrenching is fun Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 wrenchin is fun if you have a place to do it but i live in an apartment. and i dont have the repair manual for it as they havent made one yet. so im sheet out of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greencoachdog Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 wrenchin is fun if you have a place to do it but i live in an apartment.and i dont have the repair manual for it as they havent made one yet. so im sheet out of luck. Broken sleds double as a very nice coffee table yanno! I'm sure Miss Kelly won't mind, she seems like a very understanding young lady to me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike the Pike Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Ah just steal trakers motor he has too many toys anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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