Beans Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) At the meeting held in Little Britain on Wednesday the MNR spokesman said that the bacterium flavobacterium columnare causes columnaris which in turn killed off the carp... What a load of crap!...if this was the cause why didn't it kill off other species? Are we to believe that the bacteria mutated into a form that became carp specific? I think not but that's their story and we are stuck with it... Edited August 24, 2007 by Beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 I am sure that the MNR had something to do with the die off and are loathe to admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 If you research the bacteria, you'll know that it couldn't have been that. At least there would have been as many dead catfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 They claim they didn't put anything into the water...SURE !!! Evidently the meeting became quite heated... Too bad I can't attend the next meeting in Bobcaygeon next Wednesday at 07:00 pm...(wife's birthday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) Edited August 24, 2007 by Beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnaris Not just carp, catfish but most all types. ;; I hope this does not spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Maribeth has TWO birthdays??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Yep...but we don't usually mention the other one except to close friends...LOL (more of an anniversary) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 They are liars. They said previously that no columnaris was found in Scugog. WHat a load of crap. They ether know and aren't telling or just don't give enough of a poop to actually find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Columnaris is in all the waters of the Kawarthas and has been for ages but it only attacks weakened or wounded fish and has no favorites... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riparian Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 So... let me get this straight. There are accusations of the MNR putting something into the water with the intention of deliberatly killing carp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 No, they didn't put something in the water to kill the carp, my understanding is that they put something in the water to try to control the weeds but what ever it was killed the carp. As for some sort of a "conspiracy"...... it wouldn't be the first time we've been blatently lied too! I do not believe what the MNR are telling us, it just doesn't add up even with basic math. What ever happened to "accountability"? Oh, I remember if you are in government there isn't any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 No, they didn't put something in the water to kill the carp, my understanding is that they put something in the water to try to control the weeds but what ever it was killed the carp. As for some sort of a "conspiracy"...... it wouldn't be the first time we've been blatently lied too! I do not believe what the MNR are telling us, it just doesn't add up even with basic math. What ever happened to "accountability"? Oh, I remember if you are in government there isn't any! That would make more sense since then Carp will be only affected since them being bottom feeders who happens to feed off plants also. But if that is the case you can just find the areas that had weed controlled and see if that areas had the same carp kills... And if the carp died due to feeding off it I'm sure the toxic report would of found it? <do they have that for fish?> The carp kills where too isolated. It's can't be any sort of pollution, or bacteria. No idea what happened but I'm sure that it will happen again if it was natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbouck Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Any chance that it was a test for killing off the asian carp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Any chance that it was a test for killing off the asian carp? If it was that they would have done it in a secret lab somewhere for millions of dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmtcanada Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Jedi was right....they did find columnaris in carp...but not in ANY Scugog carp. They found it in the lakes that followed. Something isn't right and smells fishy....pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greencoachdog Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I personally think it was the work of anti-carp terrorists... Roy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redx Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I personally think it was the work of anti-carp terrorists... Roy? They could of killed the lamperay eels, called them and tell them to reconsider their terrorist ways to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuntman Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 This stuff was found in other lakes but not Scugog? The Scugog kill was Carp only? It sounds more likely that the Carp ate something that other fish stayed away from. Carp are not particularily weak fish are they? I think a Freedom of Information Act request is $5. Has anyone done one before? If someone goes to a meeting ask what tests were done and post them here. With the knowledge of what to ask for the documents can be asked for/obtained. Then again I am certain that there is some newspaper reported is all over this story. Is there? Stuntman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish1965 Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I don't find it hard to believe since the die off occured right after/during spawn when the carp would be heavily congregated and more apt to spread the virus. Younger fish would have not been as exposed to it and less likely to cross-contaminate. Catfish would not have been around the same areas either. The virus is naturally occurring and, like other viruses like the common cold, is only an issue when populations get condensed for short periods of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riparian Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I will agree with the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handlebarz Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 For all the good the MNR does that we dont see I find it hard to beleive they would do this unless there is a major problem they are tryingto help control. Maybe they gave all the musky drum gobies VHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto_Angler Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Aren't carp bad for a Lakes eco-system? My understanding is they have very aggressive spawning habits and tend to destroy habitat that other fish use. Judging by the size and quantity of them don't they count as an invasive species or is it just asian carp that cause these issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 The term "invasive species' is given to a fish/animal that has yet no dollar value on the commercial or recreational market. Find a niche for them either comestible or sport (crossbow) and they'll be welcomed with open arms. Sorry, that's how I feel today. As long as someone is making money..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2fan Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I realize I am in the minority here but the fish that died are just "carp" so what is the problem? As a species they are not especially vital or hard to replace as far I know. I don't see why anyone would care too much except for the smell and the cost of the cleanup. That might be because I have lost a couple of really great fishing spots to idiots who thought putting a few dozen carp would improve things..... My opinion aside though the MNR should totally forth coming and not lie to the people who employ them meaning all of us taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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