John Bacon

Fraser from Leafs to Ottawa https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/being-cut-leafs-senators-throw-local-defenceman-fraser-190018244--nhl.html

The city is planning to dump raw sewage in the river. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/montreal-dump-8-billion-litres-204232965.html

That is not an option. There are corporate sponsors providing $$$ specifically for the Atlantic restoration program. That money would not be available for other species if the Atlantic program was scrapped. I would not count on getting any addional stocking of other species if the Atlantic stocking program is ever dumped. We might get more stocking of another species; but I wouldn't count on it.

I wonder how well that machine would work out on the lake Congratulations.

Sign?

That is not my suggestion. I am just relaying information that has been presented my the MNR. Again, I am just relaying information presented by the MNR. You may want to contact the MNR about your success with browns. According to them they are getting very few reports of anglers catching browns. They use the surveys to make decisions; os if they are getting incorrect information they need to know. It would be interesting to know when and how they did their surveys. I would think that surveys in mid-summer would show lower catches for browns than surveys done in spring or fall. Surveys results can certainly be skewed if they are not performed properly.

It sounds like you fish the south shore a lot. I am going by memory, but the MNR reports may have been for the north shore only. I would be happy to take you up on that offer. I think the two programs are independent and serve different purposes. Neither one is being used to discredit the other. In the case of brown trout, the MNR stocks browns for the purpose of providing a put and take fishery. They are just trying to maximize the amount of taking for their efforts in putting. The MNR surveys (for the north shore at least) have not indicated that there has been a lot of taking relative to the amount of putting that they have done. They have acknowledged that their surveys were skewed towards boat anglers. They plan to survey more shore anglers; that may change the results if a lot of browns are being caught from shore. The current plan is not to reduce stocking of browns on the north shore. However, they may concentrate the stocking of browns into few locations. They would still stock the same number of fish; they would just put a large number of fish in three or four locations instead of smaller numbers of fish in a dozen or so locations. The thought is that they may generate more interest if there are a few very good fishing spots instead of mediocre fishing across the entire north shore.

The MNR never claimed that the data represented the population in the lake. The data represents reported catches. The MNR is not trying to establish a self sustaining brown trout population in Lake Ontario. Brown trout are stocked to create a fishery. If few people are catching them, then the stocking is not providing returns for their efforts. Regardless of whether the low catches are due to lack of angler effort, lack or angler success, or lack of fish population; the stocking efforts have not paid off in terms of angler success. The MNR has aknowledged that their surveys have been skewed toward boat anglers over shore anglers and have plans to address this. If the shore anglers reports good catches that will show benefits for the stocking efforts.

Killing range is one factor; the range at which it can take a person's eye out would be another. In the case in the initial report; they were shooting at sitting ducks so any shot would be coming in on level trajectory, not raining down on them.

Re: "Brown Trout had catch rates barely above Atlantic Salmon" I don't have the stats handy but if remember correctly that is the information that the MNR provided during their public information sessions. It does not include the U.S. fishery. It is based on reports from Ontario fisherman. The surveys were based primarily on boat fisherman rather than shore fisherman. It is based on reported catches, not on the fish population. Despite stocking effort of browns along the north shore of Lake Ontario, there are few reports of anglers catching browns. That is why the MNR is reviewing the stocking program for browns; they are not currently getting much return for their efforts. One proposal is to concentrate the stocking in a few locations so that they can create very good fisheries in specific locations rather than having a mediocer fishery along the entire northern shoreline. I don't doubt that there are more brown trout than Atlantic salmon in Lake Ontario. However, the baot fisherman on the north shore of Lake Ontario are not reporting many catches for browns. It is quite possible that the trollers along the north shore are reporting almost as many Atlantics as browns. The MNR plans to survery more shore fisherman which may increase the numbers of browns reported. I know that there are shore fisherman who target browns in the fall; few if any of them target Atlantics. Reported catches may not reflect populations. Most of the boats fisherman are targetting Chinooks or bows. Browns just aren't in the same waters as those species. Atlantics are more likley to occupy the same waters as the targetting fish which will skew the reported catches in their favour. So it may very well be true that reported catches of browns were barely above those of Atlantics.

He has posted it in the past.

How many of the cities that you mentioned have a larger population than Toronto? Last time I checked Toronto's murder rate was below Canada's national average; so there must be more than just population involved.

Some more info. http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2015/09/28/meet-canadas-asian-carp-detective.html

Here is some relevant info. Lake Ontario Atlantic Salmon Restoration Program 43 mins · spawn. There remains uncertainty about the rate of adult returns and the success of spawning." - "The Atlantic salmon restoration program is now at the point where research and rehabilitation objectives converge. This is due to the fact that the key outstanding research priority is to understand the rate at which mature adults will return to spawn in streams." Research and assessment continues to show juvenile Atlantic Salmon survive and thrive in the rivers, with a some bottleneck appearing at the smolt stage, mainly on the older life stages stocked - work is underway to mitigate the effect of that bottleneck. More information on our current state of knowledge is up at: http://www.bringbackthesalmon.ca/?page_id=24 Monitoring/Assessment/Research | Lake Ontario Atlantic Salmon Restoration Program Restoring a native species that was extirpated (locally extinct) takes a long time, and the LOASRP was founded in 2006 with the expectation that it would take time and iterative learning to bring back a self-sustaining population of this famous fish. A series of benchmarks covering 20 years of resto… BRINGBACKTHESALMON.CA

Run times in salmonids can vary quite a bit within a species. E.g. in some places there is a spring run or Chinooks; steelhead often spawn in the fall. There are three strains of Altantics that have been stocked in Ontario. The LeHavs have been hatchery bred for many generations may not run at the same times as their wild ancestors. The Sebago and Lac St. Jean strains should be much closer to their wild ancestors. I am not sure when the salmon run in those locations; but I would expect water temperatures to affect the times too.

Salmon enter the rivers after a rain so I would expect the rivers to have a fresh batch of salmon. I don't do a lot of river fishing so I cannot help much with specifics. The run is definitely not over. There will still be salmon in the rivers until the end of October.

You quoted my post, but your response really didn't have much if anything to do with my point. My post was about the hypocrisy of Mulcair. Several months ago Trudeau announced that all new Liberal candidates must be pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. However, he made an exception for current Liberal MPs. E.g. John McKay is allowed to represent the Liberal party in the upcoming election even though he does not share the party's pro-choice and pro-gay marriage view point. Mulcair was very critical of Trudeau for grandfathering existing MPs such as John McKay. Muclair stated that Trudeau should have gone further and prevented even the current MPs who were not pro-choice and pro-gay marriage from representing the Liberals. Now it turns out that the NDP is allowing someone who does not hold pro-choice and pro-gay marriage views to represent the NDP party. And KM Shanthikumar is not a current MP; he is a new candidate. I live in the riding in which KM Shanthikumar is running. Prior to the 2011 election, this area was previously represented by Dan McTeague; a highly respected (even by Conservative supporters) Liberal MP. Ironically, Dan McTeague would not be allowed to run for the Liberals because he does not share the party's pro-choice and pro-gay marriage view points and he is not grandfathered as a current MP. Mulcair criticized the Trudeau for not going far enough in preventing candidates who do not have pro-choice and pro-gay marriage views from representing the Liberals; but it turns out that Mulcair has not even gone as far as Trudeau in doing the same. That makes Mulcair a hypocrite. Many people who are fed up with the politics of the Conservative and Liberal parties are hoping that the NDP will be different. The hypocrisy of Mulcair and NDP on this issue indicates otherwise.

And the Royals loss gives them sole position of the first in the American League.

Rev. KM Shanthikumar: NDP — Scarborough-Rouge Park -The candidate was taped making anti-abortion and same-sex marriage comments, counter to party policies, the Toronto Star reported. Status: Still running Ironically the NDP criticized Trudeau for grandfathering existing Liberal MPs, such as John McKay, when he announced that all new Liberal candidates would have to be pro-choice and pro-gay-marriage. Yet, Mulcair allows a new candidate who is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage to represent the NDP. Mulcair criticized Trudeau for not going far enough to rid his party of candidates who were anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage; yet Mulcair didn't go as far as Trudeau. This should dispel and hopes that the NDP are going to be more honest than the other parties.

So, did he get the spider?

I fished the channel for a few minutes today. I caught a bull head. Not the fish that I was expecting to catch on a Rattlin Spot; but, then again, I caught one on a Jitterbug once. I probably should have stayed in the channel because I didn't get anything in the bay.

Jays now tide for first in the American League. Hopefully they pull ahead; that should give them an advantage in the playoffs. They have a lot of September callups with them right now. Might as well use them.

There have been three strains for Atlantics stocked in Lake Ontario. The LeHavs have been stocked for about 30 years or so. The Sebago and Lac St. Jean strains have only recently started to be stocked in Lake Ontario. The LeHavs are domesticated inbreds and stocking them is complete waste of time. It is still too early to tell how well the Sebago and Lac St. Jean strain will do in the lake. I am not sure if any of them are old enought to return to the rivers yet. The servival rate of the new strains in the hatcheries has been much better than the LeHavs. Only a small percentage of the LeHav eggs received by the hatchery actually survive long enough to ever be stocked. Ringwood had the exact opposite experience with the Lac St. Jean strain of Atlantic salmon. Only a small percentage of the Lac St. Jean fish died; the majority survived long enought to be stocked. From what I hear, the Sebago strain is even better. Over the next few years we should start to see if the new strains also have better survival in the wild.

Porche owns Volkswagon; not 100%, but they are the largest shareholder.

Re: "Time to throw out all of my gear" I can help you with that