Stoty Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'll get shot for this, but here it goes. The problem is this countries government.. We let these great big ocean liners enter our waterways and let them dump thier ballast releasing hitch hikers from other countries in our water ways. If our governemt had 1/2 a brain there would be legislation to prevent this act with serious concequences. The ships should be forced to hold the ballast until it is a safe distance from our ports or to dump long before they are in our ports. So they either come in full or empty either way we could tell if they were dumped near our waterways. I call for fines large enough to hurt the parent companies and jail time 10+ years for capitans of these vessels that dump in our ports. As for the people that sparked this conversation. 1 answer JAIL TIME!!!, FINES!!! and confiscation of the vehicle used to get there, fines against the person & business. So sick our weak laws and governemt!!! AMEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_Daniels Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it. Similarly, unfunny people don't have a good enough sense of humor to tell. ...need i say more!!!! Recent Psychology research also shows that smart people are more susceptible to cognitive bias/taking mental shortcuts when they draw conclusions... aka smart people are dumb, need I say more. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/frontal-cortex/2012/06/daniel-kahneman-bias-studies.html Edited June 15, 2012 by Ben_Daniels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bailey Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'll get shot for this, but here it goes. The problem is this countries government.. We let these great big ocean liners enter our waterways and let them dump thier ballast releasing hitch hikers from other countries in our water ways. If our governemt had 1/2 a brain there would be legislation to prevent this act with serious concequences. The ships should be forced to hold the ballast until it is a safe distance from our ports or to dump long before they are in our ports. So they either come in full or empty either way we could tell if they were dumped near our waterways. As far as I know there was legislation, but during the 80s (if I recall correctly) it wasn't being enforced due to cutbacks. I believe that a government inspector was required to board incoming ships and ensure that ballast water was dumped at sea before coming down the St. Lawrence. At least, that's what I've heard, but others may have better info. But don't worry about more horror stories coming from our government, they are now enacting measures to prevent you from hearing such things: Parks Canada staff banned from criticizing Feds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Read your link-----Ya gotta love it Dave---Did'nt we fight against dictators and censorship in WW2? Which coincidently why the National Roundtable on the Environment got turfed-----they did'nt say what Harps wanted to hear Edited June 15, 2012 by bushart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 There is not necessarily a straight line between education, intelligence and wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigsnreels Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 But don't worry about more horror stories coming from our government, they are now enacting measures to prevent you from hearing such things: Parks Canada staff banned from criticizing Feds What's next, the Two Minutes Hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 ok--gotta ask What's the two minutes hate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bailey Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 There is not necessarily a straight line between education, intelligence and wisdom. That seems to be getting around. I coined it years ago as Bailey's Second Law: There is no direct relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom. Bailey's First Law states: Necessity may be the mother of invention, but laziness is usually the father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoz Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Although I have read the whole series of posts on this subject, (several times) the amount of the fines, where the fish were dumped, the names of the offenders . . . . I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT SPECIES OF FISH WERE DUMPED? Rainbows? Salmon? Bass? Snakehead? Silver carp? Grass carp? If they WERE Asian carp, snakehead or grass carp we REALLY have a problem! If they were bass, trout, perch etc., other than the fact they could be infected with SOMETHING, they PROBABLY won't do any HARM! WERE the kind of fish that were illegally 'dumped' identified? Just WHAT were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Although I have read the whole series of posts on this subject, (several times) the amount of the fines, where the fish were dumped, the names of the offenders . . . . I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT SPECIES OF FISH WERE DUMPED? Rainbows? Salmon? Bass? Snakehead? Silver carp? Grass carp? If they WERE Asian carp, snakehead or grass carp we REALLY have a problem! If they were bass, trout, perch etc., other than the fact they could be infected with SOMETHING, they PROBABLY won't do any HARM! WERE the kind of fish that were illegally 'dumped' identified? Just WHAT were they? Does'nt matter---a waltz thru the fishing regs is very exact about transferring "ANY" species from one body of water to the next To the point about having live fish in a livewell in transport home IF these fish were indeed farmed---may come with a whole gambit of issues on wild stocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigsnreels Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 @bushart - it's a term from Nineteen Eighty-Four. Just seems to me that our democratically elected representatives and their policies are becoming more Orwellian by the day... And I'd be interested in knowing what species that couple released as well, although it's true that it doesn't really matter from a legal standpoint as they weren't released into their native water in any case. Hopefully they were few enough and small enough that they ended up being nothing more than an exotic and tasty treat for the local residents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 We've got plenty of laws and don't really need more of them. We just need to work with what we have and enforce them properly. If there is a lack of enforcement staff, hire some more, the fines they generate will propbably pay their wages and also take a chunk out of the deficit (or end up in someone's pocket LOL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 That seems to be getting around. I coined it years ago as Bailey's Second Law: There is no direct relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom. Bailey's First Law states: Necessity may be the mother of invention, but laziness is usually the father. Maybe we had the same grade 8 teacher 30 odd years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 This is off the radio website in Dryden Ontario Strong Turnout For Protest On Closure Of ELA By Mike Ebbeling - June 15th, 2012 - 9:08am About 90-people converged on Kenora MP Greg Rickford's Dryden office yesterday in a noisy protest. They were out to protest Bill C-38, which passed in the House of Commons overnight. Those in attendance were most upset about cuts to environmental programs and the closure of the Experimental Lakes area west of Dryden. Dale MacKenzie says the Federal Government is more like a dictatorship and Rickford should be held accountable. MacKenzie says the ELA is a world class research facility and says the Feds can afford the $600,000s to keep the facility running. MacKenzie says the way Bill C-38 was handled was "un-democratic" and that voters are getting cranky. Rickford was in Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The reality is there is no legal political means to stop Bill C38... The reality is that if the Liberals didn't force feed in the Gun registry the Con's would not have a Majority. Of course the NDP's had several chances to join with a minority govt to squash that, as well the liberals could have also voted the registry down as well, but they all were in it for there own good as well. The reality? There will be no riots, there will be no revolt, there will be no buses turned over or cars set on fire, the Govt will not be overthrown by the public, there will be no stopping this bill. Its funny how the Canucks losing in the playoffs can cause a riot but something like this just goes by with people shaking there fists in the air. So I suggest everyone just sit back and eat your TV Dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocoda Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The reality? There will be no riots, there will be no revolt, there will be no buses turned over or cars set on fire, the Govt will not be overthrown by the public, there will be no stopping this bill. Its funny how the Canucks losing in the playoffs can cause a riot but something like this just goes by with people shaking there fists in the air. So I suggest everyone just sit back and eat your KRAFT Dinner. Thanks jedimaster...you have been Quoted on my facebook page with the exception of "TV Dinner" After all KRAFT DINNER is Candiana at its best too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The reality is there is no legal political means to stop Bill C38... The reality is that if the Liberals didn't force feed in the Gun registry the Con's would not have a Majority. Of course the NDP's had several chances to join with a minority govt to squash that, as well the liberals could have also voted the registry down as well, but they all were in it for there own good as well. The reality? There will be no riots, there will be no revolt, there will be no buses turned over or cars set on fire, the Govt will not be overthrown by the public, there will be no stopping this bill. Its funny how the Canucks losing in the playoffs can cause a riot but something like this just goes by with people shaking there fists in the air. So I suggest everyone just sit back and eat your TV Dinner. No there will not be be a riot---but these points should be noted for the next election so we cannot claim that ignorance is bliss Notes like this C38 that gutted environment and fisheries protection like a deer---items not campaigned on Don't recall the talk of oas hittin 67 in the last campaign I guess when Harpo sat at the piano and sang a little help from my friends---he was eluding to Enbridge and Suncor Eat that tv dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 to keep the OT theme going. more on the govt's closure of the research facility. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/research-on-oil-sands-impact-cost-centre-its-funding-scientists-say/article4266918/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarg Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 No there will not be be a riot---but these points should be noted for the next election so we cannot claim that ignorance is bliss Notes like this C38 that gutted environment and fisheries protection like a deer---items not campaigned on Don't recall the talk of oas hittin 67 in the last campaign I guess when Harpo sat at the piano and sang a little help from my friends---he was eluding to Enbridge and Suncor Eat that tv dinner You do know that a lot of people work for those companies? Im sure when for decades all of our other governments were pandering to say the car manufacturers you were equally as bothered. Speaking of bother, why do you? I must have missed the government that only ever enacted laws on things the explicitly said they were going to during the election campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lk Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 to keep the OT theme going. more on the govt's closure of the research facility. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/research-on-oil-sands-impact-cost-centre-its-funding-scientists-say/article4266918/ They are stopping the funding of the ELP,it is hoped that somebody else will take it over,lots of locals veiw the area as a huge waste of taxpayer dollars run by empire building scientists. If it is so important to the entire world perhaps it should be funded by the UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 You do know that a lot of people work for those companies? Im sure when for decades all of our other governments were pandering to say the car manufacturers you were equally as bothered. Speaking of bother, why do you? I must have missed the government that only ever enacted laws on things the explicitly said they were going to during the election campaign. Have'nt seen the gov't yet that actively went out of their way to target the environment and fisheries for a greed driven agenda like this one Have many gone south on promises---you bet But stealing tax dollars we never see is one thing----neglecting fisheries is another and DOES directly affect me Fish---remember why we're here That's why I bother---and more should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thanks jedimaster...you have been Quoted on my facebook page with the exception of "TV Dinner" After all KRAFT DINNER is Candiana at its best too Glad you enjoyed...Thats about as close as I get to enciting riot. lol. Hopefully things work out for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmarentette Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Have'nt seen the gov't yet that actively went out of their way to target the environment and fisheries for a greed driven agenda like this one Have many gone south on promises---you bet But stealing tax dollars we never see is one thing----neglecting fisheries is another and DOES directly affect me Fish---remember why we're here That's why I bother---and more should X2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoz Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 After ALL that, Still NOBODY KNOWS WHAT KINDA FISH GOT DUMPED IN THE ROUGE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 After ALL that, Still NOBODY KNOWS WHAT KINDA FISH GOT DUMPED IN THE ROUGE? And again---unless those fish were originally residents of the Rouge---it's illegal---it's not a difficult concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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