Hoppy Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 http://www.cbc.ca/ne...nvironment.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Wow not one reply to this heinous decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessy Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 its really to vague to comment . the cost of doing any thing around or in water is crazy the only ones making money is the consulting firms. the projects are usually done the feds should not be in that bussiness. in port hope we have the grca they dictate what goes on in "water" areas . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) its really to vague to comment . the cost of doing any thing around or in water is crazy the only ones making money is the consulting firms. the projects are usually done the feds should not be in that bussiness. in port hope we have the grca they dictate what goes on in "water" areas . You'll never see a group like the GRCA in the Ring of Fire or any unorganized township. Consultants provide independent and properly conducted assessments... if they are done for the Feds or on public property, then they are publicly available (FOI). In some instances, this "ammendment" to the act will allow the industry to perform their own Env. Assessments. "YUP, DIG HERE, THIS BROOKE TROUT HAS NO CLEAR CULTURAL VALUE". Yes, Consultants are too expensive and sometimes provide obvious information for $100's per hour...but there's gotta be a middle ground, and it would be nice if something like this wasn't slipped in with the budget. Edited March 15, 2012 by Rod Caster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyb Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Guys, relax! let's not let anything get in the way of Jobs and Growth™ I think this belongs under the thread about things that make you shake your head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyhkh Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 what the hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Really??? well you lost the long gun registry---so call it even Fish are probably just poopin in that water anyway---messin it all up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutologist Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The scary part is the potential re-writing of the Fisheries Act (Sec 35) to remove the need to protect a fish's (or marine mammal's) habitat. In the current regs habitat having a very over arching definition involving all the areas and attributes required for all life stages/processes of these animals. The importance of this is huge. You can't have a program to protect coaster brook trout and provide no protection to critical habitat areas. This is worth writing your MP about. Information and review of environmental impact statements for proposed developments should be done by someone other that the proponents. I really can't understate the potential impact of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 They also voted no to Bill C-267, the "Canada water preservation act". NDP, Green and Libs voted yes...but it failed. http://parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5123018&File=27 Who needs a permanent source of fresh water when we can just filter dirty water and sell it in bottles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 this prime minister has been installed by the petroleum industry to gut environment canada, and any scientific agency that does not agree with it's agenda. ironic how many anglers on this board voted for the party that regularly demonstrates it cares the least about the environment. don't crap where you eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 This is worth writing your MP about. I did just that... http://openparliament.ca/ You can find who your MPP is and how to contact. I just said in a respectful manner that I'm not pleased with the changes to the Fisheries Act, nor am I pleased with the method by which they are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigugli Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 It's OK to pollute our waterways, lands, fields. A lot of what you eat today comes from countries with no envitonmental and health regulations anyway. Why should our country be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I did just that... http://openparliament.ca/ You can find who your MPP is and how to contact. I just said in a respectful manner that I'm not pleased with the changes to the Fisheries Act, nor am I pleased with the method by which they are doing it. You mean packaging it up---putting a bow on it and voting on it with the budget---is peculiar?? So now---if you vote against the budget---your standing in the way of jobs and growth for hard working Canadians. Can you hear it Now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 So now---if you vote against the budget---your standing in the way of jobs and growth for hard working Canadians. pretty much exactly how I worded it to my gf last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 He is only doing this because it is taking way to much time to get environmental assessments completed. Remember he wants to run a pipeline from Alberta to the BC coast to supply our newly oil hungry friends on the east. This will be the stepping stone of things to come. Rob C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarg Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) We clearly need to tear up most of southern Ontario, a lot of good land and water being destroyed by people, imagine, how dare they. Epic fear mongering, there are a lot of federal and provincial overlap in the regulations, now i hope this doesn't lead to a free for all, and it is nice to live in a province that is concerned with the environment, but have you seen the Ontario economic outlook lately? People need to work, just as people need places to live, resulting in the giant suburb that exists south of Barrie, you want to talk about pollution, look in those backyards and the millions of others in southern Ontario, But people need homes, they also need places to work outside of Toronto. Considering the natural resource wealth of Ontario it is a wonder that the economy is having trouble, maybe there are too many regulations, but i am no expert, but then i doubt most of you are either, despite your assertions that Harper was installed by the oil companies, hey i bet he stole the election too right? of course you cant prove it, but you don't need to, you just KNOW it right? We should wait to find out what this really means before we go crazy about it. Edited March 15, 2012 by blarg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Ontario's issues are hindered by a high Canadian dollar---driven up by natural resorces (oil) and a weak American economy Ontario's manufacturing lives and dies by the value of our $$$--ask the now unemployed Cat workers in London their thoughts?? But all this aside---has ZIPPO to do with the Cons sliding these changes to the fisheries act in under the sly no surprise though---when your covered in oil---you tend to be slippery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snidley Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 If you like Salmon DON"T read this http://alexandramorton.typepad.com Of course it's not just the Feds but the BC government is in cahoots too. Read the whole blog in it's entirety and you will see why we a doomed.It goes way beyond environmental assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Well if your into not being informed---do not watch The National tonight at the beginning regarding the voter fraud latest. Too many folks who were called from certain #'s countrywide---asking for Cons votes---when told they were not supportive---then led to polling station changes calls from those same #'s---when there were no changes. Must be me---maybe too many paint fumes---Yeah that's the ticket- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkbait22 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 this prime minister has been installed by the petroleum industry to gut environment canada, and any scientific agency that does not agree with it's agenda. ironic how many anglers on this board voted for the party that regularly demonstrates it cares the least about the environment. don't crap where you eat. Sounds about right from what I'm hearing and reading. Fish need places to live (habitat). This is like burning your house and saying everything is alright. The fisheries act is the main legislation for fish, their habitat and what they eat. Various agencies administer it e.g., conservation authorities, MNR. There isn't that much overlap. For this and many others reasons Harper needs to go. Sad day for Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Bushart this is the best one yet describing our current PM!!! "when your covered in oil---you tend to be slippery" Awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I voted CPC in the last 2 elections mostly due to Liberal Adscam in Quebec, CPC's good track record on the econcomy relative to other countries and in my opinion NDP lunancy and inability to govern. This type of obvious pro-oil legislation, parts of the omnibus crime bill like mandatory minimum sentances for small cannabis charges and in my opinion policies to be more like the USA (it's really working out well for them) has me shaking my head. Once you destroy the environment there's no coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 refreshing to hear that perspective turtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torco Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I am not surprised, its pretty clear that the Governments strategy around the economy is nothing more complex than Sarah Palins "Drill Baby Drill" philosophy. Its an outdated model that does not make sense, to create short term economic growth at the expense of everything else is just lunacy. You would have thought by 2012 we would be thinking more integrative, holistic and long term and not so short term and linear. One needs to remember what the purpose of the economy is to improve ones life but I am not sure how that can be achieved without appropriate regulations and rules. I am not anti-mining or oil but we need to do this right or else whats the point? John Kenneth Galbraith stated it is not the quantity of our goods that matter but the quality of our life. I think many of us forget this regardless of your political stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 very disappointed that democratic conversations on politics were locked. the conservatives would be very proud of OFC for their first rate censorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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