John Bacon Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 According to studies that I have read; fish do not have the part of the brain that is used to sense pain. According to those studies, fish do not feel pain. Having said that, fish brains are different than human brains; it is possible that they use a different part there brains than humans use to sense pain. I believe that the fight that they put up when hooked proves that if they do feel pain at all; it is not nearly to the same degree as humans. How much of a fight would you put up if someine was trying to pull you in by a hook in your mouth. As for the P3TA study with fish rubbing their lips against the side of the aquarium after being injected with bee venom, that only proves that they are aware that there is soming in their lips. It doesn't prove that it causes pain.
mrdylan Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 They may fight out of fear who knows only a fish.
majorlifts Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 Ok tonyb, I guess all that work those scientists did, all the research, it was all for nothin. I guess they should have just called you. This is a dead subject dude, Scientist have proved without a doubt fish do not have pain receptors in the mouth area. However there is some pain receptors in the body. In fisherman posted there findings with trusted scientific research.
urbanangler1990 Posted April 14, 2007 Author Report Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) dead subject? u just stirred it Edited April 14, 2007 by urbanangler
Marc Thorpe Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 here's some info http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Courses/bio105/nervous.htm http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/cont...mgq6wf8wknuc20/
Bob Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 Nearly all scientific studies are funded by people looking for specific results so said scientists will do their best to prove the desired results, otherwise they lose their funding. Because of this, most studies are biased and always will be. I like fish and am not about to stop fishing for them.
bigfish1965 Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 Fish lack the hypothalamus which is where pain (as humans know it) is perceived. A fish's brain is far less complex than a mammal's. Fish understand invaders, parasites, danger etc. and rely on fight or flight responses. If a fish felt pain like a person does, they would not run away from the pressure of a fish hook which increases the pressure on the hook point. If they felt pain as humans do, they would move towards the pressure to reduce pain like a human or mammal would. P3TA is very big on anthropomorphizing animals and wants people to think we are the same. We are not. P3TA bases their stance on a study that invovled injecting fish with bee venom. The fish were shown to rub the injected area on the tank bottom continually until the venom subsided. This they surmised meant pain. In fact, this could have meant the fish had recognized a parasite since fish would never receive a bee sting in real life, it would not be within its instincts to know what to do. Fish who have hooks in the mouth continue on their lives normally provided the hook doesn't interfere with eating.
Dutch Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 They probably feel more pain when you start to filet them.... Very informative post there, Rick, thanks!
urbanangler1990 Posted April 14, 2007 Author Report Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) great info Rick, very helpful, thnx! Edited April 14, 2007 by urbanangler
GbayGiant Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 I love to fish but I don't hunt reason being no catch and release... Can't remember the last guys I met up with that caught and released a Buck. They could start using high powered tranquillizer darts.
NBR Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 If you put a collar on a puppy and try to lead it the puppy jumps, runs, turns, spins and so on but you aren't hurting it. I believe the study was done by a University of Wyoming professor.
fishindevil Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 OK can we kill this thread now as im felling pain.....cheers
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