davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I'm at least going to try the swivel above the float. Why would one argue" over "or "under" float?Why is one supposedly better than the other?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Was down for a couple hours.Nadda,but got to try a few different casts.Love the pin. Learned abit about reading the water as well. Thanks Bill. BTW It,s a broken bolt on the rad.Zip tied it up, and good to go til Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) the sooner you learn to cast properly the better. no amount of swivels takes the twist out of side casting and there's nothing worse than having to retie your rig completely half way through the day. like mr. hamilton said, save the side cast for when you have to make uber-long casts. Edited August 27, 2011 by Dr. Salvelinus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Shearer Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Pretty funny to me, reading the responses from those that have obviously never tried tying in a swivel above the float. Takes about 3 minutes, and give it a try. I change my mainline halfway through the fall season, because of the stresses it receives from being stretched from fish. I could probably use it the whole season, but line is cheap and I hate wasting the 15 minutes to retie, when the fish are "on", due to my laziness. Or you can keep replacing line, and dealing with the frustrations of line wrapping around the tip, etc, etc, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 After about 4 hours on Friday I did start getting line twists around the tip of the rod.When I got home cut off about 80' or so ,ready for next time with the swivel above the float. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) Was down for a couple hours.Nadda,but got to try a few different casts.Love the pin. Learned abit about reading the water as well. Thanks Bill. BTW It,s a broken bolt on the rad.Zip tied it up, and good to go til Monday. Sweet! Glad you got it fixed man. I'll be throwing hardware for steelies until the end of Sept That's a great river to do it on. After the next rain we'll go down and try a couple of my go to spots. Edited August 27, 2011 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Until then,I,ll be practicing.Maybe a few hooksets in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Tie up some big stinky bombs if the water clarity is like it was today. Dew worms would also be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okumasheffield Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I would suggest to spend 2 months (during off-season, of course) to learn how to Wallis cast then no more line twist for the rest of your fishing career! It would be easier if you already know how to baitcast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctranter Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 As with many things related to fishing, everyone has their own opinions, and in most cases, everyone has positive experiences that support their opinions/techniques. The first cast I learned was a spinning side cast. It was all I knew for over a season, but I struggled through over-casting and tangles to last a few steelies. 3 years in and I can spinning side-cast across any river I fish. It's all about matching reel spin with distance, and it takes practice. No matter what people say, pulling line off the side of your reel causes line twist. Regardless if people have antidotes to this problem, the line is forces to physically twist off of the spool. I fished with a very experienced steelheader who exclusively used side casts, and after a full year of fishing together, I had fewer twists and line issues at the end of the year than he did. Why? Because I struggled through learning to cast a pin with a method that ensures longevity and peace of mine. Sure, people will say you should change your line frequently yadda yadda, but honestly I havent changed my 8 lb Gamma in 2 years and it is still perfect. If I need to cast 30+ feet, I use a side cast. But as long as I can spin my pin, I cast my line and stop the spool as the line hits the water. No twist. There is no single "best" way. All there exists are different strokes for different folks, but certain techniques are more practical for small, narrow southern Ontario tribs that others. I fish with a certified casting expert very often, and he is more than happy to demonstrate a variety of casting methods. PM me for details Ps: I'm sure this question was answered as it is super basic, but the reason to NOT use a swivel above the float is to reduce the amount of lost tackle as lines almost always break below the swivel. My float is always above my swivel, and I match the conditions of the river with my floats. Then again, I haven't bought a float in over a year as I find all of my floats in the river. Thanks folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinnerdoc Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I'm no expert at it but when i started to learn how to cast i startted with the modified wallis cast...it's the only cast i know and use so give it a try. I get good distance and control interms of direction with it. I did try the swivel above the float and i like it, it was good when i was learning the cast and later on stopped it all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Ps: I'm sure this question was answered as it is super basic, but the reason to NOT use a swivel above the float is to reduce the amount of lost tackle as lines almost always break below the swivel. My float is always above my swivel, and I match the conditions of the river with my floats. Then again, I haven't bought a float in over a year as I find all of my floats in the river. Thanks folks! I've never had a break off below my top swivel (ie losing my entire rig).. I also spend a fair amount of time on the water, lol!! I run 14lb Fireline Crystal, to 8lb Drennan Super Specialist shot line, to whatever leader I am running for the day. I've even landed some nasty Port Hope chinnies on this setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I take it BillM the swivel above the float will make the float a little top heavy?,than again it must depend on how much weight you have on your line pulling down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) I take it BillM the swivel above the float will make the float a little top heavy?,than again it must depend on how much weight you have on your line pulling down. We are talking about a XXXS micro swivel They are tiny. Doesn't affect the float at all, regardless of where it is in the setup. Edited August 28, 2011 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Better pick up some of those. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoneFishin Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Swivels above the float help immensely with line twist. I take it you've never used one. I don't know where you get your micro ball barring swivels, but the ones I always seem to find not only bend out of shape but, they don't really turn that freely in the first place. So unless your running a heavy line it's not going to help much, but then again heavier line doesn't twist as much in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnimon Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Out of curiosity, what # line are you guys using as your main line? I like the 8# line. Last year I switched to the raven line, havent had too many issues but I feel its a little limpy for my likings. Mind you I havent soaked it in warm water and it hasnt broken on me on a hook set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) I don't know where you get your micro ball barring swivels, but the ones I always seem to find not only bend out of shape but, they don't really turn that freely in the first place. So unless your running a heavy line it's not going to help much, but then again heavier line doesn't twist as much in the first place. Raven Micro XXXS, nothing fancy. Although with the braid I run, I don't even need a swivel above the float to be honest. You could always run a slip float and never worry about twist again Edited August 28, 2011 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoneFishin Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Raven Micro XXXS, nothing fancy. Although with the braid I run, I don't even need a swivel above the float to be honest. You could always run a slip float and never worry about twist again I've used them but they seem even weaker then black birds but they are a bit smaller so. You said you run braid, how does that hold up, does it float good? And does it help on 20+ yard hooksets? I'm guessing you have another reel with mono for the colder months? I was going to run it on one of my pins before I sold a set up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Raven Micro XXXS, nothing fancy. Those are the ones I use aswell. Was dowqn again for a few hours. I was getting line twist,so decided to let the line out,put a swivel above and below. Now that I have tried it,I can say it does work.No line twist after a couple of hours. Still no fish to be seen. Drove over to Angus for a look see and they were getting them.Wont be long til thier up where I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I've used them but they seem even weaker then black birds but they are a bit smaller so. You said you run braid, how does that hold up, does it float good? And does it help on 20+ yard hooksets? I'm guessing you have another reel with mono for the colder months? I was going to run it on one of my pins before I sold a set up.. I use Fireline Crystal, spring/fall/winter/whenever. Get's a bit stiff in the cold, but nothing crazy. The long distance hooksets are the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thanks to all the guys who recommended putting the swivel above the float.Spent 3 hours today and not one line twist,also no fish lol.Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thanks to all the guys who recommended putting the swivel above the float.Spent 3 hours today and not one line twist,also no fish lol.Thanks again They were there Sunday,I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newb09 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) I was using side cast untll I dedided I had enough of line twisting. So this summer I learned my cast from this clip. I watched it like500 times and went to the park 5 times to practice it. was fun. I even heard some kids saying there is man fishing in the park.. <iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qJHyQJIwP4w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Edited September 1, 2011 by steelheader09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strakey Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Well size doesn't matter to much with braid as it is always thinner than mono. What you will have to do is put backing on first than knot it to the braid to fill up the spool otherwise you'll need about 600 yards of braid to fill up the pin. Than after that a swivel and then florocarbon and the other stuff to finish the setup. If your fishing muddy to green than the floro isnt necesary depending on the clarity of the water. I typically use two micro swivels for my setup, which aids in line twist and quick retying from breakoffs. Remember setup is everything for success. Trout are finiky about how it looks in the water. best of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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