SBCregal Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Does anyone know where you can find whole, head on frozen smelts? I am heading up to a buddys camp at the end of the month and was looking to get some frozen fish to use as deadbait for pike on his lake. I've only come across gutted/head off fish in the freezer depts of the grocery stores i've been to. I have seen larger sardines for sale with the heads, but I'm not sure how well those would work. Will the headless ones work well enough? If it matters we're heading up to the Massey/La Cloche lake area. ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I've only seen whole frozen smelts for sale in Alberta, where live bait is illegal. You may find someone who has them in their own freezer but it might not be an easy task. Maybe with a well matched jig head and a trailer quick strike hook, the gutted smelt would work??? This spring, net some smelts and keep them in your freezer., smelt fishing is SOOOO much fun ..I've got some beauty chub I'm keeping for lakers and pike this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beginner Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 try chinese supermarket.. I know they selling it there frozen.. gudluck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Might be tough to get in Ontario. See if you can find whole herring. Here are a couple of places you can contact. Sable Fish Packers SalmonAngler.com Fish On Bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBCregal Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 thanks guys, i though i had seen them in one of the grocery stores at one point. guess i gotta keep hitting up all the different stores. I'm hoping i can find some...and that they work, if i do ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallacio Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 If you are close to Simcoe, you should be able to catch a bunch. The south shore of Kempenfelt Bay is absolutely stacked with big schools of them right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I get mine from Lake Superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyb Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You pretty much have to hit every grocery store you can....and the more international ones, as suggested above, will usually produce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedley Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 live or dead smelt illegal to use as bait in ontario.. Grocery store smelt might be ok if can prove it, would check first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 live or dead smelt illegal to use as bait in ontario.. Grocery store smelt might be ok if can prove it, would check first I agree as far as live ones. Can you show where in the regs that you can't use dead smelt? I doubt you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallacio Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) live or dead smelt illegal to use as bait in ontario.. Grocery store smelt might be ok if can prove it, would check first Live Smelt cannot be used but with the exception of a few Zones, there is no restriction on using dead Smelt as bait. Massey/LaCloche is in Zone 10 which has no such restriction. Edited January 18, 2011 by wallacio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burtess Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 No Frills will usually have frozen sardines with the head on. Big and greasy. They are good for pike. Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedley Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 check the ontario fishing gear and bait regulations, it has something about smelt as bait. http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@letsfish/documents/document/stel02_178932.pdf This is where I saw it Regulatory guide lines for Bait and Gear restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch312 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 price choppers (now a new name) in brantford had both whole and prepared frozen smelt for the 3 years or so i had been going there. might want to check there? fortino's is probably a good place to check too. i've seen them at many grocery stores around here so they shouldn't be that hard to find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 check the ontario fishing gear and bait regulations, it has something about smelt as bait. http://www.mnr.gov.o...el02_178932.pdf This is where I saw it Regulatory guide lines for Bait and Gear restrictions. The link you posted doesn't work. Page 10 of the Ontario Fishing Regulations says nothing about using frozen smelts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyb Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Tedley's link worked for me....good resource outlining current restrictions plus some proposed ones. The fishing regulations are clear about what can be used as LIVE bait....but so far I can't find anything saying dead bait is not allowed. Edit: Upon closer inspection, Tedley's link is dated Feb. 2006....so not everything in there may be accurate today Edited January 18, 2011 by johnnyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBCregal Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 i HAVE seen head on sardines. they would work for pike? i was thinking something along the lines of 6-8", think those would work? or should i go bigger or smaller? last year when we went we werent able to get much more than 3-4" live minnows up there..didnt have much luck ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Frozen Peniche (Sardines) work well, 3.49 a bag at the Stupidstore (Loblaws) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) We use frozen smelt here all the time and I've never heard of anyone questioning it. We buy them at No Frills here in Elliot Lake. It's the cheapest bait around. Especially good for lake trout from shore in the spring when the trout are looking for easy pickings. They're usually available whole. Edited January 18, 2011 by Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedley Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Thanks I wondered about using store smelts. I use the frozen cleaned and beheaded smelts, they work ok for the pike. I find something probably catfish eat the guts out of whole fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnimon Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Check the fisheries act to be sure about using them for bait. In the summary it may state no organic baits. Which includes live or dead animals, plants or part of. Call the local mnr office to be sure. Now another ? on the same topic. Smelts that get washed up and caught between rocks on shore. Can they be used for bait in that same waterbody, that doesnt have a restriction on organic baits. They are there naturally. Edited January 19, 2011 by vinnimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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