BigWilly Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Hi Folks, Came upon these and had various responses. Would like to hear what the OFNer's think. Sorry about the pic. Double click and you'll get the idea. They're about an inch and a half long. Good Fishing, Doug
e-z-out Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I say they are but then again what do i know
BigWilly Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Posted January 17, 2009 Jeez AG, Thanks for the fast reply. I didn't even get a chance to look at it. lol Doug
e-z-out Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 There will be guys saying yes and some saying no but in the end you deside do i buye and try them out. Use what ever works but first find out is it Legal or not. Thats what your doing here
irishfield Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Light that is part of a lure is LEGAL per MNR Regs.
BigWilly Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Posted January 17, 2009 I agree AG. I've acually got the question emailed into the MNR. They're saying three weeks to answer. Thought I'd see what the popular opinion is here.
BigWilly Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Posted January 17, 2009 Light that is part of a lure is LEGAL per MNR Regs. Ahh. I saw that too but would this be considered part of the lure?
irishfield Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Why would't it be part of your lure... you're not lighting your hut with it are you? LOL Is it not a lure body.. or is it a slip float. Either way no different than the floats with the light on top.
BigWilly Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Posted January 17, 2009 Why would't it be part of your lure... you're not lighting your hut with it are you? LOL Is it not a lure body.. or is it a slip float. Either way no different than the floats with the light on top. LMAO!! I've considered using them for Christmas Tree ornaments. They're more of a slip float, although they don't float at all. Here's the reg under definitions that I feel is in question: Artificial Lure An artificial lure means a spoon, plug, jig, artificial fly or other such device that is designed to catch fish by means of angling.
irishfield Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Regs also state you can use a light "if the light is part of a lure attached to a line used in angling.
CLofchik Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 If you use it attached to your line above your real bait, as an attractor (which is what it's supposed to be), it's ILLEGAL. If you put a split ring & baited hook on one end it then becomes a lure which would be LEGAL. Lights in the water are not strictly legal or illegal, it all depends on the grey area of how you use them. Attractors not directly part of a bait isn't kosher.
irishfield Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 So if you wanna get rid of that "grey area" throw a siwash hook on it. You are allowed 4 hooks on any line. They can be many feet apart if you so chose.
forrest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) Is it not a lure body.. or is it a slip float. Either way no different than the floats with the light on top. If it was a slip float the light would be on top of the water....is this why the COs visit you so often IF? The device is not legal. You can try and dress it up like a lure put your real lure lower on the line and say it is legal, then the CO can say you are full of it and send you to court for the day. forrest Edited January 17, 2009 by forrest
forrest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) Llet me ask this of the OP. What is the item being used for? Be honest and your chances of there being trouble are all but zero. If you think fish might be attracted to the light and go for your lure then it is illegal. If you think it might attract smaller baitfish it is illegal. If you intend that the fish bite down on it then it is legal. If is the only lure on your line it is legal. Act honestly and you won't have a problem explaining to a CO or judge (if you don't convince the CO). If you want to be extra cautious (that is what I would do) make it the only lure on your line. forrest Edited January 17, 2009 by forrest
Fishnwire Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Although whether or not it is legal is a matter of concern, I'd be more curious to find out whether or not it actually helps catch more fish. I suspect it does not. We've all heard of people breaking the regs to gain various advantages. People choose to fish out of season, or use multiple lines, or traphooks or whatever because those acts generally put more fish in the boat...but have you ever heard of people using an underwater light as an attractor and increasing their catch as a result? I have not. If it worked, you could be sure a bunch of boneheads would be doing it.
BillM Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I think the light has to be above water level for it to be legal no? But there are a few lures that have flashing LED's inside, so who knows.
irishfield Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) If it was a slip float the light would be on top of the water....is this why the COs visit you so often IF? The device is not legal. You can try and dress it up like a lure put your real lure lower on the line and say it is legal, then the CO can say you are full of it and send you to court for the day. forrest We can argue all day about it Forrest. Not that you'd ever do that ! lol Doesn't matter what any of us think legal or illegal .... I'll wait for his MNR reply... but I'll also put $50 bucks on it that they say it's legal. You in? Use of artificial light to attract fish was written to stop people from using spot lights into the water to do so.. not a glow jig, lighted jig, spinner, float etc. A "lure" can be anything you've got below the water for angling. Remember you can take 4 hooks..... ANY combination of spinners trinkets and toys to make up said lure. It could be 20 feet long. Edited January 17, 2009 by irishfield
AzuluSpookd Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) . Edited January 17, 2009 by AzuluSpookd
irishfield Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) Gee thanks Marty.... Edited January 17, 2009 by irishfield
BigWilly Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Posted January 17, 2009 Good disscussion Guys! I will report back when I get MNR's reply.
lew Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Use of artificial light to attract fish was written to stop people from using spot lights into the water to do so.. I spend ALOT of time fishing late at night and wear a headlamp that throws a pretty strong beam of light into the water, and have wondered if some over zealous CO has ever tried to flaunt his authority and tried to charge someone with using them to attract fish ?? My bud was fishing late at night a couple years ago and was way off the channel in the thick reeds and the CO's were working a late shift and saw his headlamp and came right in after him. They weren't concerned about his lamp and were only checking licenses, but it shows they do sometimes work after dark. I know back in the day when we used to fish for smelts in Lake Ontario after dark, we'd hang a Coleman lantern off the pier and it'd attract the smelts like bees to honey.
the spirit of fishing Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 I agree with Irishfield-can be used legally; would I buy one...no,because I would have no confidence in it; use one-perhaps if I'd already thrown the tackle box at them and had no luck on anything else or my fishing partner was using them and was being successful and I wasn't...
forrest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) Use of artificial light to attract fish was written to stop people from using spot lights into the water to do so.. not a glow jig, lighted jig, spinner, float etc. A "lure" can be anything you've got below the water for angling. Remember you can take 4 hooks..... ANY combination of spinners trinkets and toys to make up said lure. It could be 20 feet long. TSOF may have the right idea...who cares, the thing won't work. The OP has never stated what the intended (honest) function of the device is. A baseball bat is just a baseball bat when it is being carried down the street unless you tell a cop it is for protection; then it is a criminal (?) charge too. For ice fishing the OP (or CO) could be thinking: This light is a small generally stationary light source, submerged under the water for the purpose of attracting fish to a specific area for the purpose of angling. Like you said, lets see what the MNR states, Lets see what the OP states. It would be surprise if MNR gave a statement of permission they could be held to. Forrest PS What is next? Telling the CO that a gaff is merely a boat safety device? How about a spear gun being a fishing rod with a mechanical launcher? Edited January 18, 2009 by forrest
limeyangler Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 save some money and use glow jigs.
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