John Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 Everyone deserves an opinion, and while I think he crossed the line, I think people are blowing it out of proportion. Honestly, how many people on here follow HOCKEY enough to know Sean Avery. Most "hockey" fans, are Leafs fans, or Habs fans, or Sens fans, or Red Wings fans. You follow your team, and not the whole league. People who say he doesnt belong in hockey have no clue. Sean Avery is a player who puts up decent numbers every season. He'll never be a league leader, or even a team leader, but he had like 35 points last season, and he only played 50 or 60 games. Those are good numbers, and makes him a valued player. On top of that, Sean Avery is a pest, he gets under peoples' skin, he draws penalties and that WINS games. Any team, ANY team would benefit with the addition of Sean Avery. Like him or not, Sean Avery is a valuable player to any team in the league, idiot or not. This has absolutely nothing to do with the players value to his team on the ice, which is dubious. It has everything to do with disrespect to women, his team and to the sport of hockey. The man (subjective) is indeed a moron!
steverowbotham Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 GP G A Pts +/- PIM Year to date: 2008-09 23 3 7 10 +2 77 On Pace: 81 10 24 35 +2 271 Those arent stats of someone that is valuable to a team to me. George Laraque is a type of valuable player, he know is role and place on the team, Avery does not. he thinks he is a superstar because he pulled a sweet contract!! He should go back to interning in New York. He doesnt have a place in the NHL. Players who play the "pest role" never, ever said things like that. Claude Lemieux, Ciccerelli, those guys were pest and value to a team. The league also suspends players for racial or derogatory slurs on or off the ice.....this is no different. The league doesnt hit the nail on the head most of the time, but they are going in the right direction this time. If there were stats for "penalties drawn" you would know his value ... every penalty drawn is a power play and an advantage he gave his team. Value is not all about numbers.
steverowbotham Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 This has absolutely nothing to do with the players value to his team on the ice, which is dubious. It has everything to do with disrespect to women, his team and to the sport of hockey. The man (subjective) is indeed a moron! My opinion had nothing to do with the fact that he's an idiot. I know hes an idiot. My point was to the people that have such a strong opinion about how he's not a good hockey player, when in fact they dont follow hockey, and dont really know what value he has. He's paid 4 million a season for a reason.
anders Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) yes he draws penalties, however, does it help your team though when he is leading the league in penalty minutes. If he was doing his job, he wouldnt be in the box. He's paid 4 million a season for a reason. People are still waiting to see the reasoning. Edited December 3, 2008 by anders
Mike Pike Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 Like him or not, Sean Avery is a valuable player to any team in the league, idiot or not. The Dallas Stars owner doesn't think he's that valuable. He agrees with the suspension and said if the league DIDN'T suspend him, the team would have! Most sports bundents I've been listening too say they'd be suprised if Avery plays another game for the Stars.
John Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 My opinion had nothing to do with the fact that he's an idiot. I know hes an idiot. My point was to the people that have such a strong opinion about how he's not a good hockey player, when in fact they dont follow hockey, and dont really know what value he has. He's paid 4 million a season for a reason. Sorry Steve, most of us who know hockey also know that he is overpaid by probably 2M a season and that's if and when he keeps his mouth shut. His conduct off the ice erodes most of his remaining value to any team!
steverowbotham Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 yes he draws penalties, however, does it help your team though when he is leading the league in penalty minutes. If he was doing his job, he wouldnt be in the box.People are still waiting to see the reasoning. He has 3 misconducts .... thats 30 mins right there, which are served, but the team is not penalized. Without those, he'd have only 47 minutes, still a lot. But thats his role. I'm not going to argue my opinion anymore. I said he;s an idiot. his off ice antics are ridiculous. However; He's a valuable player to any franchise.
MCTFisher9120 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 Avery is a jack My thought's exactly.
muskeybugged Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 After all his trash talking lately of Dion and Iginla, I think this was his way of getting out of his whoopin - that I was waiting all week to see. He's always been the first guy to run his mouth then skate away from a fight that he has any chance of losing. Yeah he'll fight C class fighters. I hope he gets to play again, only so I can see someone do what's been needed for a long (overdue) time.
anders Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 this is really a good conversation. i am enjoying it I have played hocey my whole life, like i am sure most of you have as well. I know that if i am sitting in the box for 10min at a time....that is not valuable.... at all. Penalty is a penalty...and those misconducts are the worst of all...cause you usually get them after you already been called for a penalty and cant keep your mouth shut...ive had em....no value to a team in the box...2 min..is a lot better that 10.
Dutch Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 To say something like that about one of Canada's rising starlets is just unfathomable. He is just lucky she really isn't Jack Bauer's daugther is all I can say.... Now that is funny....what Avery said is not. It is disrespectful and shows a tendancy to mental abuse towards women - maybe why they aren't together anymore. Good luck finding a new partner that isn't an escort or hooker Avery. Douchbag! As far as a previous comment about getting into your opponents head by saying that....if that was by design, Avery sure has issues. I don't think he knows the difference between what is acceptable and what is not. If that comment by Avery was pre-meditated, which it seems the previous commenter meant by making the asserttion that the comment was made to get into Phaneuf's head, Avery proves he is a total low-life that doen't deserve to make millions or be in the NHL.
rickster Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 My opinion had nothing to do with the fact that he's an idiot. I know hes an idiot. My point was to the people that have such a strong opinion about how he's not a good hockey player, when in fact they dont follow hockey, and dont really know what value he has. He's paid 4 million a season for a reason. Just because he is paid 4 mil a season doesnt mean he is worth 4 mil a season and as far as him being valuable to his team why is the owner and his teamates not sticking up for him turco and richards clearly showed their disgust with him when questioned about it as did the owner he used to be considered valuable but now i don't see any team thinking his antics are worth it
holdfast Posted December 3, 2008 Report Posted December 3, 2008 Oh GEE WIZ. Tis, Tis, Tis. Id like him to play for Mtl and put some fire down their throats. But alas, they may have to play tough hockey. As far as his comments? Anybody ever hear of locker room talk. His only problem is he invited the reporters. Nobody ever said he was smart.
Zib Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Instead of suspending him the NHL should be praising the guy for bringing interest to hockey. They took away fighting & people lost interest. With Avery shooting his mouth off it gets all the sports people on TV & radio talking about hockey & it sparks interest from people & they'll watch the soap opera to see what happens next.
rickster Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Your right. Instead of suspending him the NHL should be praising the guy for bringing interest to hockey. They took away fighting & people lost interest. With Avery shooting his mouth off it gets all the sports people on TV & radio talking about hockey & it sparks interest from people & they'll watch the soap opera to see what happens next. so with this line of thinking one would assume a racial slur would be ok too because it is bringing attention to the game just because it is attention doesn't mean it is good for the game and as far as fighting goes http://www.hockeyfights.com/stats/
chickenhawk Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 im gonna have to agree with steverowbotham on this one.....avery always has an impact when he focuses on hockey.....this year.....he has been focused on the media.....after his suspension is served and he is traded from Dallas.....Avery will play some good hockey.... Hawk
J Wilson Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 There is no question how Avery approached the media with those comments was a complete act of immaturity. I don't think the league should be suspending him though?. A fine perhaps. Like I was told as a child, sticks and stones break bones but names will never hurt you. I'm sure they are over it now?. Better yet, they should have let Aves dress and get agrro'd agains the Flames.
chickenhawk Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 couldn't agree more...as much as i like him...he sure has a beating comin his way....wouldn't it be funny he got traded to the flames..... Hawk
chickenhawk Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 For those who haven't seen it....a reminder that this may be offensive to some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnXC6C_b0CA
MCTFisher9120 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Is this what were all talking about???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnXC6C_b0CA
ch312 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 i laughed when i saw it and im guessing others did too. its one thing to beak off in the heat of the moment during the game, but this is pathetic. get rid of the useless moron already.
MCTFisher9120 Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 For those who haven't seen it....a reminder that this may be offensive to some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnXC6C_b0CA O man u beat me to it, sorry for the double post.
timmeh Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Well for those who claim Avery to be a valuable player have a look at how Dallas did last season and in the playoffs. And then have a look at how they are doing this season after signing him. And have a listen to the comments guys like Modano and Turco are saying about his impact on the team.
holdfast Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 Sloppy seconds, havent heard that since I lived in the Shacks (Barracks) Of course it was Guy talk with guys that are not your oversensive guy wannabees now. Im starting to like the little guy. Hes got nuts to say that about Phaneuf.
chickenhawk Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 that's why i like him....he's ballsy....
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