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Parallel, simultaneous, another discussion...whatever Noam Chomsky.

For a parallel discussion of this topic, click here: http://flyfishingforums.hipwader.com/viewtopic.php?id=6902&p=1

Herring which is sold in stores is a true Herring (usually caught in the Atlantic Ocean) and can be legally used for bait if dead. The "Herring" that you are referring to as having a closed season on Simcoe is a completely different species which is closely related to Whitefish. It's also commonly known as a "Cisco".

Roy is correct...in the summer, Lakers will generally be found relating to bottom or just under the thermocline (and sometimes anywhere inbetween). A buddy and I fish up at the cottage in Muskoka with riggers and hands-down, our best producing lure a small Williams Wobbler in the hammered gold finish. We usually run one rigger as close to bottom as possible and the other just under the thermocline about 20' behind the balls and we do quite well.

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@letsfish/documents/document/226814.pdf

As mentioned, fishing for Atlantics is a tough go but it doesn't mean that it isn't worth a try if you go with realistic expectations. You might want to look at visiting the Matapedia River. I was supposed to fish it last summer as part of a trip to visit my wife's family in New Brunswick. Unfortunately the trip didn't happen and it was just my luck that the numbers were the best they've seen in decades. Unlike other rivers in the area which require expensive licenses and guides, the Matapedia has a considerable number of pools that can be fished on a DIY basis, without breaking the bank. Have a look at this link - the owner of this motel is very friendly and helpful. Their rates for accomodation are reasonable and they can supply a guide, which might not be a bad idea for a day or two to help you learn the ropes. http://www.matapedia.com/english/fishing/fishing.html More info on licenses as well as catch rate stats: http://www.cgrmp.com/rates.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJjPXqxRis

I've been to Costa Rica twice, including a significant amount of time in the Guanacaste/Tamarindo area. Unfortunately I didn't get out fishing but did lots of touring around to great places. Shoot me a PM if you want to talk specifics.

That was a great day boys...let's get out there again soon.

That's awesome Mike. The hardware definitely "shines" at certain times, on certain water (as you pointed out).

Nice work guys...love it up there! Paul, see you Thurs (hopefully)!

My final thoughts on this subject: My comments have absolutely NOTHING to do with the santuary licenses that were granted in past years. Unlike others, I did not have an issue with the licenses nor with the practise of angling under this license for study/assessment purposes. Correct me if I'm wrong but the santuary licences were not issued this year yet you and I both know full well that Atlantic Salmon are being deliberately targetted in the river at certain times of the year (ie July, August) and with species-specific tactics including by members of your organizations "executive". Please don't insult our collective intelligence by citing that other species are being targetted as part of some "hertitage pursuit" and that Atlantics are simply by-catch. THIS is what I take exception to...ie the continued deliberate targetting of a species for which the season is closed. I used the Sturgeon analogy to demonstrate how ridiculous and dishonest it is to cite by-catch as a defense. In fact, many sections of rivers in Ontario are now full or part time sanctuaries so that anglers could not hide behind the by-catch loophole. Further, as previously I stated one cannot avoid catching them in legal pursuit of other species (ie Steelhead, Salmon, Bass etc). With that said, the regs state one is to release them immediately and not snap hero shots of them if you do catch one. Again, I am referring to present day...one of the photos posted in this thread with a fish being held for a photo shows the date (September 2011) in the file name so this fish was not caught with a sanctuary license (feel free to correct this assumption if not accurate). I actually want to see this program succeed and have no doubt that our rivers are already better places thanks to the efforts under the program. My only point is that fishing regulations should be obeyed by ALL of us at all times. This point should not be difficult to agree with...

Funny, there sure are a lot more "Bass fishermen" on the river these days after a rain in August swinging flies and spinners through the tailouts. If anyone asks, when I hook a Lake Sturgeon on the Notty in May with giant gobs of worms I'm fishing for Suckers... Further, on the topic of photographing OOS fish, the regs state that they are to be released IMMEDIATELY and I'm pretty sure that posing for "grip and grin" photos do not count as an immediate release. Don't believe me? Here's more info on the same subject directly from the MNR. Excerpt from this link: http://www.outdoorontario.net/AskMNR/mnrfaqfish.html Question 186: Hi, if an angler has incidental catches of any species (out of season) & has a posed picture taken with the fish out of the water prior to being released, is it unethical, against the regulations etc, or perfectly fine, providing care was given to the fish? Asked August 25, 2003 Answer from the MNR This is very technically a violation because the fish is not immediately released to the water. Of course, the actions of the angler in their handling of the fish will determine whether a charge is warranted and would be laid by a Conservation Officer. Think of it this way. The speed limit on the 401 is 100km/hr. Very few drivers will be charged with driving 101km/hr, but given the right set of circumstances, there may be perfectly legitimate reasons why an officer might write a ticket for doing 101km/hr in a 100km/hr zone. The only way to be 100% sure that you will not be charged is to immediately return any incidentally caught fish to the water and to release it in a manner that causes the least harm to the fish.

I find it more than a bit hypocritical that some of the staunchest supporters of this program are the same ones delibertately targetting this fish which has a closed season, often under the guise of "Bass fishing" and are posting grip and grin photos. Granted, you'll catch them when targetting other species which are in season but taking photos of a fish which is not in season is bad form not to mention illegal.

Ditto what Bill said. A "small" 'eye from one of their lakes.

Yeah, the Notty fishes great when there's been 40+mm of rain and it's a metre higher...let us know how you make out.

It's not for everyone but if you are going all that way, I'd strongly recommend going out on a deep sea charter for pelagic fish such as Marlin, Mahi, Wahoo, Tuna etc. My wife and went to Maui and went out on a charter and had a blast and caught tons of fish. It's cheaper if you share the charter with others but you'll obviously have to rotate on whose turn it is for the next fish. One word of caution, the seas are usually quite large out there and it's not for someone who is prone to getting sea sick or hasn't spent much time on the open water such as the Great Lakes or the ocean.

I'm glad you fooled him bud and not someone else. I have a feeling that old guy doesn't get tricked very often!

I live in Caledon (Bolton specifically). You basically only have two choices to get downtown that are reasonably fast and direct. South on Hwy 50 to the 427 or across King Road (etc) to the 400. Obviously both are busy at rush hour and you are looking at a long drive (over an hour each way). Despite the commute, I love living up here. The whole area is stunning, with rolling hils and mostly natural settings. It's also a great jump-off point to go north for fishing, skiing, cottages etc. Best part for me is having world-class fly fishing opportunities for wild Browns within a 20 minute drive!

Way to go buddy...two fish like that in one evening is no small feat. I really wished that I could have joined you tonight. In time I'll forgive you for getting that big guy...I've only been after him all season

How'd the skein turn out now that it had time to readsorb the liquid?

Is this because you fish uncured eggs 90% of the time??? I catch 90% of mine on cured. Despite what many people say, it makes little difference...Steelhead will take both readily. The primary reason I cure my eggs is that it extends the "shelf" life of it when I'm not fishing. Cured eggs will not spoil if left in the refrigerator for weeks (even months) while uncured eggs can go off in days if not frozen immediately.

Yes, leave them in the juices for a little while longer...they'll readsorb most of it.

Coho for sure.

I would use your cure on the skeins and then separate them. I find that curing them toughens them up a bit so they'll be more likely to stay intact when you scrape them.