justin elia

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_hPgTgZF9Bs Not too long ago CRAA was working towards a common goal of creating an amazing fishery on the Credit River. We were able to transfer wild fish to a tributary above Norval. It created an amazing fishery for 2 years only to have it railroaded by Trout Unlimited Izaak Walton MNR Aurora and other stakeholders. I came across this video today. Bittersweet it was to watch this clip.

How much would one have to spend in one year to achieve 7-8k in rewards?

Never miss.

I'm not sure why you're thanking me. I do believe that lake anglers harvest more fish based on what I see at boat launches across the north shore of lake O and in the rivers. The NY side has its own creel data to gather info from, it doesn't mean that the stream anglers that fish the north shore of Lake O are more likely to harvest a fish. With a 5 fish limit per person and no slot size, it doesn't take long for the numbers to add up from the lake. My point to OFAH was that it's not rocket science, a reduction in limits WILL increase fish numbers therefore increasing fishing opportunities and making the resource better. There are studies based on the tribs of the north shore of superior that back this up. Craig made some interesting points about BC and the rebound of the Coho from selective harvest.

You want scientific data to explain why a reduction in harvest limits could be good for the fishery??? Really??? Give me a break. I think it's time OFAH changed their policy. Even NY has a lower lake limit than ON, and they stock the bejesus out of their tribs.

Just to clearify, there is no mention of an additional extended season above the 407 in the fall.

Hi all, Please take a few minutes to read CRAA's proposal to MNR to open full access for all species of fish (native and naturalized) in the Credit River. Please post any questions, comments or discussion in this thread. http://www.craa.on.ca/pdf/CRAA-CRFMP-OpenAccessProposal-Dec2011.pdf Justin

Good times! That day was a blast!

A lot of guys are hesitant to do this in the scenario the OP has given. By far it is the best way, and sometimes the only way. Float fishing set-ups are run vertically, bottom bouncing set-ups are run horizontally to the surface of the water. Thats how you get under log jams, over hanging tree's etc. Good tip Mike

We have done tree plants and dam removals on the river you mentioned; but the Credit River watershed keeps a lot of us very busy for the most part. There is so much going on that our own time is spread thin and we cannot address issues on other rivers. We are always looking for groups of guys to mentor who can use government grants to help rivers; Bronte especially, and other tributaries across the North Shore. Its hard to believe with the amount of pressure Bronte Creek gets, there aren't 3-4 guys in each area willing to help make their home river a great fishery. A very good friend of mine who fished Bronte for 20+years; well before steelheading was as popular as it is today, would boast about 100 fish days, and good levels of water throughout the fall. Its a shame that the river has been going downhill for years. Golf courses having extremely high rights to taking water, development etc. It is a beautiful river and a piece of wilderness so close to Toronto that is not had by other north shore tributaries. I have to thank Ron for his kind words. A lot of people see a thread like this that gives CRAA a bad name. Its quite the opposite, and Ron is a perfect example of the group of anglers that understand all of our work. He is probably right though, most anglers would much rather go fishing then spend a few hours giving back.

Here is what John meant more specifically. He didnt say that Dave was poaching, I doubt Dave would do that. The same rule that Dave is referencing about OOS fish, is clearly stated the same for fish in certain size restricted area's. They must be released immediately. Catch a Brown over 20" in the forks, no pictures right? Very bottom of page 8. http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@letsfish/documents/document/198219.pdf Lets let it go.

Outstanding Mike. Great to see.

I find it hard to agree with you when you are saying it is a black and white issue and your previous post referencing the MNR response to a question CLEARLY states that that it is a grey area and would be up to each individual Conservation Officer to make that decision on the spot depending on how the fish was treated. That said, I really don't care for your opinion. Some people would take pictures (many have and sent them to John for verification), and some wouldn't. Who cares. Go fishing!

One major improvement to the river has been the construction and completion of the new fishway at Norval. It was funded partly by a group out the US that donates to projects like this one. John and I wrote a lengthy application requesting funds for the project and we were awarded partial funding for the entire project. Another aspect that most are unaware of is the amount of paper work that comes with even the smallest job. John can probably touch base as to where trees have been planted, banks have been stabilized, etc etc etc. As far as the a monetary figure associated with fish rearing, I haven't the clue. We have our own hatchery with Rainbow Trout, Brown Trout, Coho Salmon and Atlantic Salmon that is managed by volunteers of CRAA and funded through government grants. They are always looking for people to help out with daily chores if you're interested. Justin

J-M, you're right and I should address what I meant. The only hard evidence I have are my own reports and pictures from various anglers on the river. John gets emailed frequently with angler catch reports for Atlantic Salmon in the river. I am not saying that we have 1000 Atlantic Salmon running the Credit, but they have become quite common, my guess would be around 500 this year. How they are managed by the MNR and OFAH is out of our control and sometimes the best resource of information is by anglers fishing the river itself and not necessarily based on one capturing area in Streestville. Those that know the river well, know that fish do get over Streetsville. There is a huge gap between Streetsville and Norval and south of the Dam in Streetsville to the Lake. We have had numerous reports of spawning Atlantic Salmon in the lower river and based on the catch numbers, I have no idea where these fish are. Between the guys in our club, we have probably put 100 Atlantic Salmon to the bank this fall. Unfortunately, a lot of Atlantic Salmon do not get accounted for in the MNR's numbers. I do not benefit from the program personally, I just agree with it and have seen over the past 4 years the increase in reported catches outside from what MNR numbers show. Those who choose not to believe me, its really no sweat off my back. The Credit RIver is thriving, the watershed is changing for the better, more anglers are starting to fish the river and benefitting from the work being done by various groups. Catch rates are up for all species. Thats what matters to me most.