BillM Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I run the swivel below the float Bill. Main to my lead I find if I have a break off,I get the float and swivel back. I run 2 swivels in my rig. Nanofil to swivel to shot line to swivel to leader. I haven't lost a float in a loooong time with this setup.. Unless there is a nick in my mainline, the leader/shot line always pops first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I run 2 swivels in my rig. Nanofil to swivel to shot line to swivel to leader. I haven't lost a float in a loooong time with this setup.. Unless there is a nick in my mainline, the leader/shot line always pops first. So where is the float? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DundasSteelheader Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 In 30 plus years of float fishing for steelhead I've never tied on a swivel. Just curious, how do you attach your leader to your mainline then? Something like a double uni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocoda Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 So where is the float? In between the two swivels..and that section carries 90 % of your shot for getting you down..that way when you break off your leader you dont have to reshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocoda Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Just curious, how do you attach your leader to your mainline then? Something like a double uni? Old School method was to use straight 8 or straight 6...but then someone invented colourful line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinnerdoc Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I run the swivel below the float Bill. Main to my lead I find if I have a break off,I get the float and swivel back. I run one swivel on my rigs, and it's a tiny one above the float, I usually predetermine the length from the swivel to the top shot so it gives me room to move the float if i wanna adjust my target depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkbait22 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 One decent micro swivel above the hook and below the shot. Mod-Wallis cast 99% of the time. Only three knots required. Lot of flexibility in float adjustment. Years ago I was taught the side cast but it was terrible for line twist. Within a year I switched to a Wallis style cast and I'd never go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I run one swivel on my rigs, and it's a tiny one above the float, I usually predetermine the length from the swivel to the top shot so it gives me room to move the float if i wanna adjust my target depth With one swivel above the float I would think you loose a float/shot/hook a few times. Unless your tying a smaller lb leader below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Sharkbait reminded me, I use mod wallis cast, no need to hold your line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Just curious, how do you attach your leader to your mainline then? Something like a double uni? I use uni-uni but the fastest I would think would be perfection loops, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 So where is the float? Float is on the shot line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinnerdoc Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 With one swivel above the float I would think you loose a float/shot/hook a few times. Unless your tying a smaller lb leader below. Your right, all the more reason to learn to tie knots properly and pay attention to the water for snags, learn to fight fish properly with your rod and line wt in mind. I have had to loose a few that's for sure, all part of the learning curve for me. The main reason for me doing it this way was to minimize the twist as I use floats that run on the outside of the float. Floats that run thru i have the swivel below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azebra Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 A while back,Terry and I went shopping for some terminal tackle. We came across these 3 barrel swivels. He tells me,they are to help with line twists. So we both grab some. I can tell you,that after several outings so far,I have yet to encounter any line twist.Last season was a whine. Im still side casting,with the odd try at the wallis cast,(getting there) They are pretty much a micro swivel.(amazing what they make these days)I also black maker them to get rid of the bling bling. Hope this helps others with the twist problem. Billm and the swivel above the float tecnique is hand down amazing for elimination line twist. Ive tried it and and see how it works. But if everyone knows the side cast etc gives line twist why not do what I and several Others do, learn the wallis cast. That is the first cast I ever taught myself and I never have any line twist issues, also I like to stear away from more then one connection, witch is my tippet attached to the main line via a xxxs swivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I'm too lazy to learn the Wallis, so I'll just stick with the swivel/braid combo lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azebra Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 BillM do you carry a variety of shot lines? I might like to try this because if I need a lighter flows taking shot off the line is most times impossible if it doesn't idiot the line it's attached to. THen I get confused about how Long a shot line should be if I were To carry 3 or 4 sometimes I run my float up my main line shorter then my tipper in shallow riffles. And sometimes 9 feet up for those 5 foot deep Holes. So I'm confused and therefore apprehensive to change my thchnique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 BillM do you carry a variety of shot lines? I might like to try this because if I need a lighter flows taking shot off the line is most times impossible if it doesn't idiot the line it's attached to. THen I get confused about how Long a shot line should be if I were To carry 3 or 4 sometimes I run my float up my main line shorter then my tipper in shallow riffles. And sometimes 9 feet up for those 5 foot deep Holes. So I'm confused and therefore apprehensive to change my thchnique Nope, I don't use pre-made shot line. I make the shot line long enough so that I can move the shot/float around to fish the riffle water or the deep stuff. I use 8lb Drennan Super Specialist for shot line, it takes a beating and has no fraying issues when I'm constantly moving shot around on it.. I rarely if ever have shot on my leader, flouro doesn't stand up to well when you start moving shot up and down on it.. If I'm going to a big flow like the Geen, I'll obviously re-rig the night before, but it's the same principle.. I don't run light tippet either, 4-6lb Drennan Flouro or 5.6-6.6 Phantom.. It will consistently bust off before the shot or main line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azebra Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Sounds interesting. Maybe I'll try it one day, but I'm lazy, if I'm not wallis casting I'll pull Line from the 2nd 3rd guide and swing it out there. My main line is 10 lb stuff I picked up in Guelph( the stores own) then 8.2 down to 4.75lb tipper. I only loose the tippet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Sounds interesting. Maybe I'll try it one day, but I'm lazy, if I'm not wallis casting I'll pull Line from the 2nd 3rd guide and swing it out there. My main line is 10 lb stuff I picked up in Guelph( the stores own) then 8.2 down to 4.75lb tipper. I only loose the tippet If it works for ya, then stick with it.. That's why I'll most likely never learn the Wallis in order to avoid line twist. I don't get it with my setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azebra Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Yeah thanks. Although I haven't landed any steel yet this fall. hope to see you on the river! All the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manjo39 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 On a side note/question: I'm going to convert to Mod.Wallis cast from side cast to eliminate line twist (as opposed to adding another swivel above the float). For those with experience with both, which one casts farther? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 On a side note/question: I'm going to convert to Mod.Wallis cast from side cast to eliminate line twist (as opposed to adding another swivel above the float). For those with experience with both, which one casts farther? Side cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhare Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 On a side note/question: I'm going to convert to Mod.Wallis cast from side cast to eliminate line twist (as opposed to adding another swivel above the float). For those with experience with both, which one casts farther? That depends on the person... A good wallis caster can cast as far as someone side casting. A modified wallis or spinning side cast can pretty easily be tossed as far or further then a side cast. It all comes down to timing and technique. Most guys really stink at casting because they really dont have to cast very far in most of the flows we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 It all comes down to timing and technique. Theres my problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhare Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Theres my problem. LOL, It's like riding a bike spend enough time trying and all of a sudden it just happens. looks like your having lots of fun regardless Brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 On a side note/question: I'm going to convert to Mod.Wallis cast from side cast to eliminate line twist (as opposed to adding another swivel above the float). For those with experience with both, which one casts farther? I could probably cast 45 feet if I had to. Don't know if that's good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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