Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 and if one finds oneself about to go over a small drop, let's say anything over 7 feet, tuck when you go over for the same reason as above. thanks for the added safety tips woodenboater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Good to know that they aren't an automatic death sentence... I somewhat thought this too and really scared myself a few times, not falling in, but feeling like I was losing control in a fast river. I thought for sure I'd be a gonner... And a lot of people told me its SUPER dangerous. Agreed with those that said first hand experience (contolled environment) would be the best way to avoid panic in a real life situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketchenany Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Agreed, and I say this from experience. A deep fast flowing river is a far cry from a swimming pool. Also it depends a lot on the type of waders. Neoprenes wouldn't hinder you at all. They're more form fitting and are in fact bouyant. Loose, billowing nylon, breathable or even worse rubber waders, especially without a wading belt cinched up tight are a major hindrance if you fall into deep fast water. Again this comes from personal experience. I saw my good bud Dave Fernie 'step' into a deep hole on the Bighead in November! All I heard was "save my rod" as they filled up, he got out and after a good fire we dried him out. A nude dude in November is classic. John Kerr was not there, if he was he'd probably would have said, let the dummy go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Also undertows are deadly. People die no matter what, and even life jackets are no help. Saw it happen just 20 feet in front of me for two cases. Edited April 3, 2012 by fishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Also undertows are deadly. People die no matter what, and even life jackets are no help. Saw it happen just 20 feet in front of me for two cases. undertow, hydraulics, lowhead dams etc. are definite killers waders or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limeyangler Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Just as a side note, why wear waders if youre in a boat? Thanks for posting doc.....interesting thread. To answer your question Jigger, Cliff was using them as rainwear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAW Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Just as a side note, why wear waders if youre in a boat? Waders keep you 100% dry. I don't have a really good pair of rain gear. So if it's raining hard, I've often thrown on my waders to keep dry. Specially during may 24 camping, when it's cold.. I've gone under wearing my waders while duck hunting more than once. No problem.. They didn't cause me to sink any faster. Edited April 1, 2012 by N.A.W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workwear Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 when i used to fish rivers...i had a friend literally sink in this sand/mud combo up to his waist ..now that was a scary thing....what would one do if alone in that situation.. it was a helluva time getting him out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 No experience with waders and air but I do with drysuits. If one forgets to 'burp' their drysuit, then much of the air in the suit could end up trapped below your pfd. Not a good thing as it means the air will bring your feet and legs up, exactly what you don't want to happen. Before I get in my canoe, I wade into waist deep water, crouch down and pull back my neck seal a bit to let the air escape. Kinda makes for a cling wrap but it expels most of the air. Pretty well all my paddling friends do likewise. So I'm guessing air in waders and a very tight belt *could* do similar but that's just a guess. and yeah Doc, most fisherman aren't going to go over a pourover/drop, I was kinda on a roll typing things up and couldn't stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dozer Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 While we're talkin safety My buddy is a whitewater canoer Always told me--if you fall in fast water--tuck your knees under your chest---if your foot gets caught in a limb or a rock---you can't fight current to stay upright Wow, thats an eye opener for sure, scary scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 While we're talkin safety My buddy is a whitewater canoer Always told me--if you fall in fast water--tuck your knees under your chest---if your foot gets caught in a limb or a rock---you can't fight current to stay upright I was told to lie as straight as possible and float feet first down stream. That way if you hit a rock you will hit it with you feet instead of your head. Keeping your body straight reduces the chances of catching your tail bone on a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemper Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I saw my good bud Dave Fernie 'step' into a deep hole on the Bighead in November! All I heard was "save my rod" as they filled up, he got out and after a good fire we dried him out. A nude dude in November is classic. John Kerr was not there, if he was he'd probably would have said, let the dummy go! I took a swim in the Bighead this past December, stepped on a rock that looked "wet" but with the sub zero temps it was ice. My wading belt and waterproof jacket with cuffs and waste band zipped tight kept me almost perfectly dry except for a real wet hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I was told to lie as straight as possible and float feet first down stream. That way if you hit a rock you will hit it with you feet instead of your head. Keeping your body straight reduces the chances of catching your tail bone on a rock. Tbh, I've never really heard the knee chest thing applied to whitewater paddling except for going over drops. A lot depends on the speed of current and depth of water. If it's only a foot or two, I have no probs/issues standing up and have done so on trips. I also paddle with people whom I trust with my life and they trust me with theirs. Anything waist high and over, yes, you're getting into troublesome territory with foot entrapments. Trees, trunks and limbs and such are another matter and are more of a worry to me than foot entrapments. Getting caught in a sieve/strainer can and has killed, so avoidance is the primary goal if one encounters a tree fallen across a fast moving river. Of course, the above may not neccesarily apply to wading on a trout stream or river but understanding river morphology is important for safety and for understanding where your finned prey like to hang out. Sorry I've strayed OT from waders and safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 i'd say anything to do with self rescue in the water is more than relevant wb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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