davey buoy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I know when you side cast a centre pin reel while float fishing you get line twist. Is there anyway to cut that down by the way you set up your line. Right now I have a slide on float, small shot every 6" or so under float and I tie the hook directly to the line. Maybe I need a swivel or two but would like to know where to put them. I'm really enjoying it,and getting really good distance now.Also I'm using 8LB mono right now.Any help would be appreciated,davey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocoda Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 put a swivel above your float.....try to learn a spinning side cast....both will help your cause to a degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I have only started this past spring with the pin. I was shown the side cast and got twists. I was told to put a tiny swival above the float and one below. Im now going to try pulling the line when casting. This will get rid of the twist . So Im told. PM me when your heading out. We can learn together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Shearer Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Swivel about two feet above the deepest stretch of water you expect to fish that day will definately solve your problem. Been doing it got a few years now. Still side casting, and I dont have any problems at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoneFishin Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 IMO swivels won't help much if at all. People spin there reels while casting to counter the effect of pulling the line off the side. If you get to lazy for that (like me...) then your going to have to deal with line twists here and there. Make sure your split shot are round and try to drag your bait across the water instead of through the water when retrieving. Also if your using roe, take some extra time while tying it to make sure its as round as possible. If your going to use a swivel put it under the float. Make sure you put it low enough to adjust your float. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Thanks for the tip,I will try that. Also when it's spinning is that not the walis cast or something different?. At the river last weekend all the fellas I saw were using the side cast and I didn't see anyone spinning it while side casting.How would you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocoda Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Thanks for the tip,I will try that. Also when it's spinning is that not the walis cast or something different?. At the river last weekend all the fellas I saw were using the side cast and I didn't see anyone spinning it while side casting.How would you do that? wallis cast is a different animal all together....you tube wallis cast and spinning side cast....if your "trotting" youll find the swivel is more effective ABOVE your float (pending on the type of float you use) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 They pull the line from the reel when they cast. Guys like spiel,Solo and BillM know the terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Twocoda,what is trotting?,haven't heard that term before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 They pull the line from the reel when they cast. Guys like spiel,Solo and BillM know the terms. Misfish,was out today,very slow,not much action.We should meet up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnimon Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 If your brave enough as me, you can give that pin a spin and castaway. One issue, birds nest if your not paying attention. You can google the wallis cast, there are a few good demonstrations, videos etc on the net. Ive gone as far as two. I dont use my float set up as much as I should, or to its fullest potential. What I do for line twists if the room is available, at the end of the drift, I let it sit in the current to unravel itself. Less drifts in the long run but it works for me with one swivel for my leader line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) Some that I have looked at. <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2igwCShoo4?version=3"><param'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2igwCShoo4?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2igwCShoo4?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object> <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvQ1M9xQJ8?version=3"><param'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvQ1M9xQJ8?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNvQ1M9xQJ8?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object> <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHBFJihcoB4?version=3"><param'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHBFJihcoB4?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHBFJihcoB4?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object> My fav <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlEIpFRNPNc?version=3"><param'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlEIpFRNPNc?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlEIpFRNPNc?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object> Edited August 27, 2011 by Misfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 IMO swivels won't help much if at all. Swivels above the float help immensely with line twist. I take it you've never used one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) No Bill I haven't used one,but I will tie one on above the float.I usually have about 6' of line out,so there is not to much room above the float without pulling the swivel through the eye of the rod if your not careful. I'm using a 11'6" rod.Thanks. Edited August 27, 2011 by davey buoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Swivels above the float help immensely with line twist. I take it you've never used one. I haven't, never needed one above or below the float, though I also never cast off the side of the reel. I've always used a spinning pull type cast, it's how I learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I haven't, never needed one above or below the float, though I also never cast off the side of the reel. I've always used a spinning pull type cast, it's how I learned. See Chris, I'm lazy This is why I need the swivel! Although lately both my rigs have been filled with braid.. No line twist even if you are side casting. Plus the long distance hooksets are a riot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 See Chris, I'm lazy This is why I need the swivel! Although lately both my rigs have been filled with braid.. No line twist even if you are side casting. Plus the long distance hooksets are a riot! Oh those long distance hooksets are the best! I've never run braid on the center pin Bill so I can't comment on it. In fact these days I'm pretty much limited to a bait cast set up. It's a whole new learning curve but I'm enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Bill, does the braid work as well as mono?.I use it on my baitcaster and spinning reel.What size braid would you use and in what colour? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Bill, does the braid work as well as mono?.I use it on my baitcaster and spinning reel.What size braid would you use and in what colour? Thanks If memory serves me correctly I believe Bill is using Fireline Crystal, not sure which test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted August 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 If memory serves me correctly I believe Bill is using Fireline Crystal, not sure which test? Thanks spiel,wonder why crystal?,any difference ?The test size will be nice to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Thanks spiel,wonder why crystal?,any difference ?The test size will be nice to know. As I noted above Dave I've never used any type of braid on my center pins but I'm sure Bill (or someone) will chime in with his thoughts on using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Thanks spiel,wonder why crystal?,any difference ?The test size will be nice to know. I run 14lb Fireline Crystal on my setups. I'll most likely go back to Drennan Super Specialist Mono on my lighter Frogwater rig, but I like that line for my workhorse setup. To be honest, if you are just starting out, some Trilene XT 10-12lb or even the Raven 12lb (My buddy swears by it) would be a good idea. I haven't noticed any breakage due to having an extra swivel in my setup either. You might even wanna check out some Siglon FF. A bit wirey, but it stays on top and is easy to see. Really helps with mending and keeping things in line. You'll eventually realize it's all personal preference Just don't get caught up in the hype! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 A bit wirey, but it stays on top and is easy to see. I like a wirey type line on my reel, I find it works better for my style of casting as it wants to "spring" off the spool as opposed to back winding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutologist Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Learn the wallis or BC style cast and line twist becomes a non-issue. Though at the end of the day its always a good idea to cut off your rig and let your line out in the current to eilminate any twist there is. This ensures you start your next day, with twist/tangles out and a new rig...always a good practice. I'm a big fan of the BC cast, after some tweaking of the tension screw on your reel and a bit of practice its great. Though does wear on the shoulder. I still use the side cast if I really want to reach out there, but I find if has the greatest potential to tangle/twist...which results in less time effectively fishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepe Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) I side cast all the time even if I mastered the other casts I still use a side cast and honestly I don't have tons of line twist. Change your line often and like someone said earlier, cut off your rig and let line out in the water to eliminate twist and you'll be good to go. The swivel above the float also helps. Cheers Pepe Edited August 27, 2011 by Pepe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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