crosshairs Posted March 26, 2010 Report Posted March 26, 2010 The problem with this low water is the walleye won't get to their spawning sites, then they will raise the water after the spawn putting the eggs in water that maybe too deep for their survival. Hope we get some rain prior to the spawn.
Raf Posted March 26, 2010 Report Posted March 26, 2010 The problem with this low water is the walleye won't get to their spawning sites, then they will raise the water after the spawn putting the eggs in water that maybe too deep for their survival. Hope we get some rain prior to the spawn. it's a catch 22.. if they hold onto the water in nippissing, then there is not enough in the french and the same thing happens there.
Jonny Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Posted March 26, 2010 it's a catch 22.. if they hold onto the water in nippissing, then there is not enough in the french and the same thing happens there. As I understand it there is a binding agreement in place that guarantees a maximum and a minimum water flow to stakeholders on the French River. (Apparently put in place when the Chaudiere Dam was built?) There is no such guarantee for stakeholders on Nipissing. That has an impact as well.
Raf Posted March 26, 2010 Report Posted March 26, 2010 As I understand it there is a binding agreement in place that guarantees a maximum and a minimum water flow to stakeholders on the French River. (Apparently put in place when the Chaudiere Dam was built?) There is no such guarantee for stakeholders on Nipissing. That has an impact as well. Out of curiosity, do you know how old the Chaudiere Dams are and what were the Nip levels pre-dam?
Raf Posted March 26, 2010 Report Posted March 26, 2010 btw, this is from the pwgsc website. http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/ontario/eaux-water/renseignement-information-eng.html Looks like Nippissing is above the average and the French below. Suggesting they are in fact holding water back in the lake. "Lake Nipissing and French River Recorded Water Level Forecast The following is the water level forecast for Lake Nipissing and the French River as of Monday, March 22, 2010 as provided by Public Works and Government Services Canada. The precipitation for March, as of March 22, is 0.2% of the monthly average . The inflows into the lake are currently above the long-term average inflow. Lake Nipissing As of March 22, 2010 the water level elevation of Lake Nipissing was 194.92 metres. The lake level is 30 centimetres above the long-term average. The lake level is expected to rise during the next few days. Further change in the lake level is dependent on the amount of inflows and precipitation . French River At Dry Pine Bay, the river level on March 22, 2010 was 180.72 metres , which corresponds to a flow of 84 cubic metres per second . The river level is 56 centimetres below the long-term average, which corresponds to a flow of 104 cubic metres per second below the long-term average. The river level is expected to be stable during the next few days. Further change in the river levels will be dependent on the amount of inflows and precipitation . The next update will be on Monday, March 29, 2010. "
Jonny Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Posted March 26, 2010 Out of curiosity, do you know how old the Chaudiere Dams are and what were the Nip levels pre-dam? No, sorry. Yes, that Public Works site tends to sound encouraging, but if it's not read carefully for what it doesn't say it can be misleading. Also, I can't for the life of me see that the lake at this particular time is a foot above any long term average, even for the end of winter. I'd be able to walk half way to North Bay!
Raf Posted March 26, 2010 Report Posted March 26, 2010 Also, I can't for the life of me see that the lake at this particular time is a foot above any long term average, even for the end of winter. I'd be able to walk half way to North Bay! Are you suggesting the gov't is lying to you??
Jonny Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Posted March 26, 2010 Are you suggesting the gov't is lying to you?? Moi?
Jonny Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 UPDATE - March 29th. No water at all coming through the chutes at the Sturgeon Falls Dam today, just the flow through the penstocks. The water level in the lake in the past few days has risen only very slightly. This afternoon, the ice out on the lake went from white to gray.
Muskieman Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) UPDATE - March 29th. No water at all coming through the chutes at the Sturgeon Falls Dam today, just the flow through the penstocks. The water level in the lake in the past few days has risen only very slightly. This afternoon, the ice out on the lake went from white to gray. Funny how that happens..goes to show elevation ..Now that the gate is closed and the Turbine is barely running the Sturgeon River levels both Upper and Lower have fallen... my "Walleye Rockpile" is even dryer than it was last week. Today,I went up to River Valley and back towards 17 through Warren & Kipling and Verner then to Cache Bay via 64& Leclair Rd...... NO WATER!!!! The Beavers will have a busy summer!! We need rain and a lot of it. RFS Edited March 30, 2010 by Randy from Sturgeon
Jonny Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 I see the quote, Randy, but no message with it.
Muskieman Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Funny how that happens..goes to show elevation ..Now that the gate is closed and the Turbine is barely running the Sturgeon River levels both Upper and Lower have fallen... my "Walleye Rockpile" is even dryer than it was last week. Today,I went up to River Valley and back towards 17 through Warren & Kipling and Verner then to Cache Bay via 64& Leclair Rd...... NO WATER!!!! The Beavers will have a busy summer!! We need rain and a lot of it. RFS
Muskieman Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 I see the quote, Randy, but no message with it. Does it show now? RFS
Jonny Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 Yes I see the reply now... in the original message as well. Strange, I've seen other posts where there was just a quote and no reply. But most "quoted" posts appear normally. Your observations are worrisome. After the dry March (desert-like, almost) around here, I wonder what the chances are of heavy rain in April?
Billy Bob Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Now if all guys going to Nipissing took some of their own water this might help...you know...each boat bring a 5 gallon bucket of water and pour it into the lake before launching....
Muskieman Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Took these this morning. Here you can see my "Walleye Rockpile" that usually sits under 5-7 FOW Here are the dams that are usually running full tilt at this time of year. RFS
Jonny Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 Now if all guys going to Nipissing took some of their own water this might help...you know...each boat bring a 5 gallon bucket of water and pour it into the lakebefore launching.... Or fill your boat with water at home, get it on the launch ramp, open the drain plug, and contribute! The forecasts keep looking the same... rain predicted several days away, but it never comes.
Jonny Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 Here are the dams that are usually running full tilt at this time of year. Good photos. It looks like the spawn is going to take a MAJOR hit this year. Not good.
kickingfrog Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Now if all guys going to Nipissing took some of their own water this might help...you know...each boat bring a 5 gallon bucket of water and pour it into the lake before launching.... You can just bring a couple sacrificial of cases of beer. Kidding, kidding.
Billy Bob Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 You can just bring a couple sacrificial of cases of beer. Kidding, kidding. You bring the virgins and I'll bring the beer...
Jer Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 You can just bring a couple sacrificial of cases of beer. Kidding, kidding. After drinking the beer I could make a decent contribution...
irishfield Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Latest over flight pics I've seen of the area North of Sudbury and Temagami... snow is for all intensive purposes gone.. and the creek beds are darn near dry... 20+C over the weekend won't help. There'd better be a LOT of rain in the next month...
Jonny Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 Yeah, yuk it up guys! In the meantime the poor cormorants will be dying in droves when they get their beaks stuck in the bottom.
Muskieman Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Latest over flight pics I've seen of the area North of Sudbury and Temagami... snow is for all intensive purposes gone.. and the creek beds are darn near dry... 20+C over the weekend won't help. There'd better be a LOT of rain in the next month... My Bro In Law was bang on the $$... gettin reports from friends in KL Cobalt and Latchford... they're gettin' worried too.... Temag. is just like West Nip. we need 40 days and 40 nights. Randy
Muskieman Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Oh and where the Temagami meets the Sturgeon in River Valley it's nothing but a fall trickle... Red Cedar is very very low.. our watershed is drying up.! Randy
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