mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Thought I would share this with the nice folks on this site. I think we should all take the 10 minutes and watch this. You will find Part 2 of this on Youtube...I think Canada is the same...Can anyone AFTERwatching this tell me different? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1jqLximBZI
OhioFisherman Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 LOL, the value of the dollar is what they say it is, not unreasonable to expect that under those circumstances that your tax bill is what they say it is. Taxes and death the only sure things, er, don`t die without paying! You can die much easier than you can get out of paying taxes!
mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 Not to be rude...but DID you watch that video......And you are from the USA....If you listened and watched, YOU do not have to pay income tax....think about it.....just stop paying There is no law stating you HAVE to pay...so stop feeding the monster. Ron Paul 2008
TennesseeGuy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Didn't watch the video, but I'm aware of what's going on with Wesley Snipes.
John Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Please keep us up to date once you stop remitting....Your naivety is amazing!
mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 John,,, please just watch...then comment. thanxs
cranks bait Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Yup it's a video on Youtube. Where anybody can do anything, and it's all true Like mentioned before. Let us know what happens when you stop paying.
irishfield Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 I like this readers comment.. "We need more Americans like her.." ..in jail.
mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 With all due respect for the nice people on this site. I only posted that video to help spread awareness. We have all grown very complacent with everyday life, we are not understanding what is really going on. I really did not mean to insult anyones intelligents, I want people to realize there is things that are going on in North America that will affect us Canadians. It may not affect me and you, but it will our kids. I dont want to cause an argument, or a huge debate. I would like to invite everyone that reads this to educate themselfs and keep up with what is happening... Open your eyes and wake up People.....
KyleM Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Stop paying taxes. Wouldnt that just be a wonderful fairly tale. I suppose the goverment can just print more money to pay cops, firefighters, and medics.
mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 OK Ok OK....Now that many people have visited my post. And I hope everyone watched the video...New question.... If you found out that there was NO LAW in which you had to pay INCOME tax, then WOULD you? As per snipes,,,, you just keep reading the news, and this is what I predict will happen: After a lenghty court battle, it will be thrownout and charges dropped. WHY: Because AGAIN in some states in the USA THERE IS NO LAW, INCOME TAX is a FRAUD....Any Good Lawyer will know that this is a joke
Zib Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 I wonder how much they charged the people to attend that seminar?
John Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 I'm really struggling to figure out where you are going with this. If there was no requirement to pay income tax then being of relatively sound mind the answer is a given. The US government frowns somewhat on fraud. Lot's of people in jail right now who felt that they didn't have to pay taxes. Wage garnishment, property seizure are relatively common forms of tax collection...............
bucktail Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Someone else can try first and then Ill follow!
capt bruce Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Do a google search on Gerry Hart , last I looked revenue canada had taken him to court 22 or so times and lost every time ,he pays no taxes . I wish I had his convictions and time to spend my life fighting , I pay large large taxes .
mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 Now I am starting to think that everybody is just to excited for this coming fishing season.... If you were told that we could not fish ANYMORE. I would bet that everyone on this site would in fact, investigate and demand answers of WHY. We would stand arm to arm and fight to get our loved sport back.....yet I post a shocking video, that if TRUE would and should make yourself very angry, because of the wool that has been pulled over our eyes. I have given alot of money over the years to taxes...and IF I didnt have too. I would fight to either get it back or fight to stop. Please re-read my first post with the video link...READ IT and know what I am asking......I should have a very valid question.
mittzu Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 Thank you Bruce....if everyone does there Due Dillengence we would not have negative commerts on this issue....
ccmtcanada Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Now I am starting to think that everybody is just to excited for this coming fishing season.... If you were told that we could not fish ANYMORE. Well...I got out almost 200 times last year fishing...I'm ok with not going over that this year.... And yes.....cabin fever is reaching it's high point....we need warm fishing weather!!
irishfield Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Well it was a temporary measure to pay for the war...WWI...... is it paid for yet? Just show me where to apply to get my millons back mittzu... without spending my remaining time on this planet coming/going and attending court and or jail. I've spent enough of my life in CRA audits... trying to keep what's rightfully mine, while walking a VERY thin line....
Golfisher Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Don't want to pay income taxes? Flaherty gave us the vehicle to do do so yesterday. Invest five grand in the new tax-free savings account next year, make a killing in the stock market, quite your job, and live off the proceeds. Not a single cent will be taxed--no capital gains tax, no dividend tax, not even interest income tax. Alternatively, you could win 649!
capt bruce Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Im with you Irish , As i said I dont have any time to do important things like fishing never mind saveing the country lol I fallowed this Gerry Hart guys cases from out west a long time ago and he allways won where to the point at his last case revenue canada was told by the appeals court it would be found in contempt if it charged him again but who has time money and the where withall to see something like this thu , cost more than the taxes I pay I bet and even worse I dont think the wife would let me lol No offence Mittzu as I know there is lots of truth in what you say and maybe if more people did know more about guys like Gerry Hart we could get something done about this GST bull they stuck us with but like whats been said by others its TAXES and DEATH with hopefully a 50" muskie or two for most of us ....
irishfield Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) Okay...this guy is laughable and that's about it. He's not paying income tax because he's not paying himself anything. He's paid someone else and lived off them. Probably a wife on payroll..sister.. brother someone. He "Owns nothing, say nothing, see nothing, pay nothing." Any of us that run a business can do this legally...he just has a need for attention and likes being a jerk. I have three Corporations that I don't do much different than his yearly "filing". I'm just smart enough to write in NIL in the appropriate box... not stick it up your at the top of each page! Same end expense for both of us... before court costs for him that is! A Bird? A Plane? No! It's Taxfreeman!by Marco den Ouden West Coast Libertarian - May 1981 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ah Spring! The robins flock back from the south. Trees bud and flowers blossom. The sun brings new warmth and renewal to the earth. But who's that skulking behind that tree? It's the dreaded taxman. With every silver lining comes a cloud and April 30 is the government's day to wipe those happy smiles from the faces of Canadians. "Ah," you groan, "what's the use? You can't fight city hall. Nothing is certain but death and taxes." But wait. A hero emerges from the wings. Wrapping himself in the Union Jack, not-so-mild-mannered Gerald Hart becomes "Taxfreeman". Faster than a speeding bureaucrat, more powerful than a bailiff's seizure order, able to leap oppressive tax collectors in a single bound, Gerald Hart fights for truth, justice and the free man's way. Says Hart, "I have, sir, the distinction of being a person who has not filed or paid a cent to these greedy grasping vermin in over 40 years." Sixty-nine year old Hart is a Winnipeg businessman, the founder of Hart Electronics Limited, Avtek Systems Engineering Limited and Presto Manufacturing Company Limited. Like Hart, his companies neither pay nor collect taxes. Taxes, he says are illegal and immoral. "I don't evade tax. I simply refuse to pay it. There's a difference." To battle municipal, provincial and federal tax collectors successfully, Hart has employed a shrewd understanding of the law and an uncompromising belief in the rightness of his actions. He has been in and out of court so many times he has lost count. And except for a few minor setbacks, he has won every battle. In 1959 he was charged with two counts. A charge of failing to file a Tax Deduction Information Return for employees was defeated by Hart's argument that he had no employees. All work for his companies was done on a piecework basis by self-employed agents. At the same time, he pleaded "not guilty" to a charge of unlawfully refusing to file an income tax return. Hart told the court that he was not a bookkeeper, had no experience and couldn't afford to hire an accountant. The case was deferred to teach him accounting at government expense. He never heard from them again on that charge. Indeed his failure to keep even the most elementary bookkeeping system has been largely responsible for his success. Hart himself doesn't know how much he earns but it has been estimated that he has successfully avoided tens of thousands of dollars in income tax over the years. Hart's particular accounting system has had other side effects. He is fond of telling the story about a visit paid by two tax assessors to his store a number of years ago. The only documents available were some invoices relating to work in progress located in a box in the unlit attic. When the intrepid government snoops went to investigate, their fingers set off large rat traps. Barbed wire shredded their clothing. "They both left in high dudgeon with hands badly swollen," relates Hart. "The idiots never came back." In 1962 came the court case that made Gerry Hart a legend. He was charged with failing to file an income tax return for Avtek Systems. He had, in fact, filed one. It contained no financial information, just a running commentary. The top of page three specified how the schedules should be attached: "indexed in the top right corner with the number as indicated under the Attachment Number column." Wrote in Hart, "Quite so, but all the same, up your posterior." To the question "has the corporation a permanent establishment in more than one jurisdiction?" Hart replied, "Only the backhouse." "Is this the first return of a new corporation?" demanded the form. "Who knows or cares," responded Hart. The return was ruled valid in magistrate's court and upheld in the Manitoba Court of Appeal. Lawyers and agents for the Department of National Revenue left the court "fuming and frothing at the mouth in unrighteous anger on sighting myself with thumb at nose and extended pointing at them," recalls Hart. The Department threatened to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada but eventually backed down. Hart has been filing similar commentaries since then. When Manitoba introduced a Sales Tax in July 1967, Gerry Hart put a huge sign in his window saying "Positively NO Sales Tax Collected Here". He advised customers who wanted to pay the tax to go to the tax office. "I am not a tax collector," says Hart. "But you must!" insisted the Crown and Gerry Hart was hauled into court several times for his refusal to accept the task. The cases were usually dismissed for insufficient evidence. Hart was finally convicted, however, on a sales tax charge in 1970 and fined $1,500. He opted to go to jail for ten days at government expense. He was let out in five days for good behaviour. "I told the court I was not going to be press-ganged into this job," he says. "I got ten days for calling the prosecutor the Crown prostitute. It was worth it." In 1969 the City of Winnipeg tried to seize goods from Hart's store to satisfy a claim of $293 for an unpaid business tax. However, mortgaged property cannot be seized in Manitoba and it turned out that all of Hart's property was mortgaged. This practice is part of Hart's philosophy for co-existence with the government: "Own nothing, say nothing, see nothing, pay nothing." When compulsory hospital insurance was introduced in the 1950's, Hart declined to pay the $4 per month premiums. He called it "nothing but another form of tax, disguised in order to dupe the apathetic public." However, it wasn't until 1962 that he was finally charged with failing to register and failing to pay. In a stirring speech, Hart told the court, "The Hospital Services Act is socialistic and dictatorial. It allows the individual no choice between its highhanded plan and insurance of the same type available democratically through many insurance firms who have years of experience in the field." "I did not personally request this service. I was not permitted to vote upon its acceptance or otherwise, and in fact I have coverage which is quite satisfactory to myself. Consequently, the provincial plan is quite unnecessary. As a supposed free citizen of what is thought to be a democracy, I resent this encroachment on my personal freedom of choice. I protest this being rammed down my throat in spite of my feelings, conscience and ability to think as an individual." Hart was convicted and sentenced to three months. He was out in three days when friends paid the back premiums for him. But his short stint in jail did not persuade him to change his ways. He continued to refuse to pay hospital premiums. Six years later he was again convicted and this time sentenced to two months. Despite these occasional setbacks, Hart continues to prosper in the tax-free enclave he has built for himself in Manitoba. But the denizens of the bureaucratic jungle also continue to encroach on citizens' liberties. Just last year a new building was opened by the Department of National Revenue in Winnipeg. The director must have been seized by a fit of masochism for he sent an invitation to attend the grand opening to Gerald Hart. Hart spoke for a great many oppressed taxpayers when he wrote back to the Directory, Tax Thievery Brigands, Department of Infernal Revenue. "Sir," he wrote, "returned herewith your slimey invite to attend the opening of your den of thieves, hypocrites, and bloodsuckers." He signed it, "with utmost disgust, Gerald A. Hart." In an age of conformity, when far too many acquiesce slavishly to the dictates of the bureaucratic state, Gerald Hart stands out as a non-conformist par excellence. He calls himself Gerald Hart, Taxfreeman, and not even kryptonite can stop him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited February 27, 2008 by irishfield
irishfield Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Don't want to pay income taxes? Flaherty gave us the vehicle to do do so yesterday. Invest five grand in the new tax-free savings account next year, make a killing in the stock market, quite your job, and live off the proceeds. Not a single cent will be taxed--no capital gains tax, no dividend tax, not even interest income tax. HAHAHA Hope that was tongue and cheek golfisher....Good luck making that non-taxed interest on $5K into something! Let's see best you'll find at a bank 3.5% = $175 .... so may save you from 0 to $87 a year depending on your income. One trip to the beer/liquor store...
Casey123 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 I am all for not paying taxes Only one problem I see with all of this...... All my free time will be divided up between court and jail....that'll leave no time for fishing. So I will tell you what, John if you agree to go to court and jail on my behalf, I will agree to stop paying taxes. I appreciate the thought though, as I have really had enough of paying taxes.
Golfisher Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 HAHAHA Hope that was tongue and cheek golfisher....Good luck making that non-taxed interest on $5K into something! Let's see best you'll find at a bank 3.5% = $175 .... so may save you from 0 to $87 a year depending on your income. One trip to the beer/liquor store... I'm betting on Nortel.
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