bobq Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Our options are one year or three year renewal for Ontario Fishing License. Why not a life time option? Of course it would cost more , but then you are done. No inflation, I met a friend while traveling in Texas. When we started talking about huntin and fishin , he pulled out his Texas life time fishing license. Said he had it since he was 18. He dad had purchased for him. Pretty cool, Ontario should offer the same. They would make great gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish1965 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 The big problem is that if everyone did it, the government of the day would fritter away the money leaving nothing for the future. I don't care who is in power, they will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmtcanada Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 That would mean less money in the long run for the MNR. I for one would spend a little more per year (or 3 years) if there was a guarantee that the money was spent well...hiring more COs etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntervasili Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 The problem isn't in the amount of money going in, it lies with the problems in ministry and Gov't... Many states have lifetime licences and you can purchase them for less if you are buying it for your 2 year old or 16 year old, than if you wait till your 18... I think it is a much better way to get young people to fish...it truly makes a gift that would last a lifetime and would never wear out in use and on top of that it still gives the ministry some money in lump sums. If you look at the states they have less resources and WAY more management and to be honest in many areas they do a great job of it... In several states they have HUGE stocking programs where they stock rivers with trout for angling opportunities... Too bad there isn't enough intrest at the top for some of the most important resources we have. Just goes to prove that politicians, just like S*** float to the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobq Posted November 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Money for the MNR should not be a problem for the MNR if Life time Fishing license were avalable. They would make more. Let's throw a price at it of $499 for a life time fishing license. If they invest a a good interest rate. 10 % . And we apply the rule of 72 , it should double every 7 years. 500 1000 7yr 2000 14 yr 4000 21 yr. 8000 28 yr $ 27.58 * 28yr = $ 772 They make more , if they are smart... And manage it properly of cource... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJQ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Hmmmff.... its an interesting idea... if it was mandated to go into a fund that only the interest could be used!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Hmmmff.... its an interesting idea... if it was mandated to go into a fund that only the interest could be used!! Gov't trust fund? Isn't that an oxymoron? JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 The big problem is that if everyone did it, the government of the day would fritter away the money leaving nothing for the future. I don't care who is in power, they will do it. ... and to get around that problem they would come up with additional licences. Your life time license would allow you to go fishing; but you would need a separate license to keep fish, another license to fish lakes that are stocked; I'd better stop before they get any ideas. I wouldn't want to trust them on a life license either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) Money for the MNR should not be a problem for the MNR if Life time Fishing license were avalable.They would make more. Let's throw a price at it of $499 for a life time fishing license. If they invest a a good interest rate. 10 % . And we apply the rule of 72 , it should double every 7 years. 500 1000 7yr 2000 14 yr 4000 21 yr. 8000 28 yr $ 27.58 * 28yr = $ 772 They make more , if they are smart... And manage it properly of cource... If you know where you can get a stable 10% return on investment, please, please, do tell. I think 5% would be more realistic. Also, if they use the interest to fund the MNR the principle will never increase. If they invested $500 now. They will get $25 in the fist year; and in year 28 they will still only get $25. If we assume 3% inflation, then in year 28 an annual license will cost over $60 a year; if they increase them by 5% a year it would be over $100 in year 28. Plus, I am sure they would find some way to make us more more in the future even if we did all have life time licenses. Edited December 1, 2007 by JohnBacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLLIWOGG Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 I see no reason for it to be illegal to go fishing so they should do away with the license not extend it to the point where a future gov. might get smart and get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarpacket Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 I think if they were going to put out a life time license only dedicated anglers would buy it. You have to think of the folks that only go once or twice every year if that. They wouldn't feel the need to spend tonnes of money on something they might not use for a couple years. Although it would be a good gift to get the young ones into the sport you must think about the people that would be giving it to them, again dedicated anglers. Sure your kid may be into fishing while they are young but what happens when they don't like it anymore? So there will be a decrease but not as much as you would think from first glance. This is just a thought anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntervasili Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Sugarpacket... If the lifetime licenses were available, as in the states, you still have the option of buying the one year or period license... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greencoachdog Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) Here in Alabama or annual freshwater fishing license is $12 Annual saltwater is $21 Lifetime freshwater is $250 Lifetime saltwater is $350 I bought my Lifetime freshwater license back in 1989 for $100 because they were going up to $150 the next year. Alabama didn't require a saltwater license until April of 93. When they passed the law requiring saltwater fishing licenses, everybody that had bought lifetime freshwater licenses before April of 93 were "Grandfathered" in to the Lifetime Saltwater licenses too. So that $100 investment I made back in '89 is worth $600... editied to say $400 because I'm over 50 and each license is $100 cheaper,still a dang good deal!... now and I've been fishing for free for the past 10 or more years! http://www.outdooralabama.com/licenses/Ala...es&Fees.pdf Edited December 1, 2007 by Greencoachdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2fan Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 I think if Ontario went with a lifetime fishing permit it would be great. The plus side to me is that if you bought one, you might be a lot more interested in the resourse. I love fishing and conservation but I have to admit I don't take the time to get involved as I could. Maybe if I had just spent 500 bucks for a lifetime licence instead of 77 for a 3yr it might get me more motivated to complain to the polictians who are screwing things up so badly. Also if they could fund fixing the drainage of water from Lake Huron into Lake St.Clair by selling a few hundred thousand licences that would a great accomplishment that would pay back the cost of the licences hundreds of times over. As for the value of licences over the years and inflation and all those calculations on here they are meaningless. I look at this way if you the angler save a few dollars by having a lifetime licence so what? We all know we are just going to spend that money and probably a lot more inflation adjusted dollars on tackle, trips, fuel and other fishing related expenses and that the government at both levels gets their sales taxes on every one of those dollars so it would more than balance out in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POLLIWOGG Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 The thing with licensing the income goes to general revenue and the expenses go to MNR. Do away with the license and you do away with the expenses, fund the MNR out of general revenue and raise taxes a couple dollars, by doing away with the cost of administering and policing licenses we save some $ . The MNR makes millions for the province they should be properly funded and not have to do the equivalent of a bake sale for funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry2Rs Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Premier Bill Davis did away with the fishing licences in Ontario back in the early 70's for just those reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greencoachdog Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Does anybody know how many non-resident licenses Ontario sells a year? I'm sure it's a boat load and millions of dollars eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenhawk Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 the thing that bothers me is that you actually need a licence to go fishing...see i think licences should be meant for operating something as in a car or a firearm rather than a fishing pole.....its the governments way to get money out of us thats all it is and if we started paying for a lifetime well damnit what are they gonna do in three years? i really dont think fishing licences are neccessary its just a government rip off. Hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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