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Considering the number of steelheaders in Ontario why so little coverage in fishing shows. I've seen Bob Izumi do one or two shows on dropbacks on an Eastern stream but that's it. I guess there's not enough money invested in stream fishing compared to boat fishing. Dan O.

Thanks for the info guys. Some great points that I hadn't even thought about. Dan O.

One of these fines needs to make it to court. It'll be the judges ruling that determines the future actions of municipalities. IMO. I'm not a lawyer BTW. Dan o.

Thanks guys. Bushart my camp is on the same latitude as yours. The roof has never been shovelled so metal would be an improvement especially once the warm, sunny days of March show up. I hesitate to remove the shingles because they can't be disposed of any where nearby (I'm in the Park). They'd need to be trucked to Pembroke which is 50 miles away down a gravel road. The roof doesn't leak and I figured the existing shingles would be as good as a membrane underneath once the metal is installed. I would strap the roof first for sure. Anyone have any idea as to cost for metal vs asphalt? I'm hearing double the asphalt cost to get a rough estimate. Thanks again. Dan O. PS> I think we're all getting Cabin Fever with this weather!

On a different but related note, I like the open bend on a bottom bouncer. If the worm harness gets hung I find I can reverse the boat and pulling in the opposite direction. This usually moves the snap swivel off of the bend up to the top of the bouncer. The change in direction of pull often gets your harness free. How would a spinner bait work on a bottom bouncer? Anyone try this for walleye? Dan O.

It's a good pitch so I was kind of hoping the snow would break free every now and then to reduce the snow load. If I have to remove the old shingles I might just go with shingles again. It's a 70 year old log structure so the metal roof would outlive the life of the building. dan O.

Never thought of that but that is a good point! And if you compromise your safety in an attempt to help the victim at which point you need rescue are you paying as well?? Dan O.

I'd call 911 but then I want to "negotiate" the level of the response. Instead of 15 fire fighters I think 4 can handle it and don't send 4 trucks send 2 that's within my budget! I'm not hurt badly so I decline the EMS and there's nothing criminal so no need for OPP. Will that reduce my bill? This guy doesn't even get a day in court! Just a bill he has to pay. Why not let the OPP determine if he is responsible. If he is responsible then charge him and he can plead his case in front of a JP. Why does the municipality get to be the judge and jury? Doesn't seem like due process to me. Dan O.

OK. So if you cause the Municipality any cost because of your own stupidity then you get the bill! I'm all for billing the drivers that drive at unsafe speeds when the road conditions are unsafe. Once the OPP lays a charge at an accident scene then the driver who is convicted (at least this guy gets a court appearance unlike the guy lost on the ice) should pay for the tow trucks, EMS, fire rescue and even the OPP response. The unsafe driver was warned about the unsafe road conditions and chose to drive at an unsafe speed. Nail his/her ass with a bill! REALLY dangerous precedent here guys! Dan O.

My cottage (camp) is a remote area that's hard to get at in winter. The roof needs replacing and I'm wondering about a metal roof vs asphalt shingles. Any roofers on here?? I need to know the cost per roof square for a metal roof vs a shingle roof? How hard is it to do a metal roof? The camp is only about 20' by 15' with a cottage roof (ie. four sides that come to a common point), Thanks for any infor or help. Dan O.

Yup! If the retailer doesn't ship USPS we don't do business. Shipping costs in Canada will be the death of on-line and E Bay sales. I think alot of U.S. outlets have had difficulties shipping into Canada to the point where many WON'T ship into Canada. So much for Free Trade. Dan O.

Just a heads up that Belwood Lake near Fergus opens for ice fishing on Friday. No hut rentals anymore but bait and tackle are available. $5.50 per adult to fish $2.75 for kids. Easy walk from the parking lot down onto the ice. Call Park office for details. 1-519-843-2979 Dan O.

Beautiful fish in deed. Well the pics match YOUR handle. Welcome back. Dan O.

My sons and I were out Monday. You're right about lots of smaller fish. We did land two jumbos in the 13-14" range (measured) but released them to spawn. I like the 10-11" fish for eating. Geez we caught alot of herring. At least 6 in a five minute time period. Released of course. You can see them come in through that 6" of clear black ice. Trecherous walking guys so bring your cleats or your hockey helmet! Dan O.

Apparently there is no evidence in Archaelogical digs of First Nation villages to support the idealogy of the "Noble Savage". Native people were just as likely to overharvest and waste as the Europeans. The technology they hunted and fished with limited their ability to harvest. This is a romantic view of First Nations that is not supported by scientific data, according to a professor at the University of Guelph. Dan O.

This First Nation Chieff sounds like a breath of fresh air given the confusion around the Idle No More movement. He is industrious and holds his people accountable. I liked what I read. Dan O. Chief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos, BC, speaking in Northern Alberta : Speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in. 'I can't stand people who are late, he says into the microphone. Indian Time doesn't cut it. ' Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen: 'My first rule for success is Show up on time.' 'My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.' 'If your life sucks, it's because you suck.' 'Quit your sniffling.' 'Join the real world. Go to school, or get a job.' 'Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.' He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does. 'People often say to me, How you doin'? Geez I'm working with Indians what do you think?' Now they are openly laughing ..... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised and more. 'Our ancestors worked for a living, he says. So should you.' He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - you'd be seen as a racist. Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country even though he avoids national politics. He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad. Clarence Louie is chief and CEO of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief.. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration. In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there. The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any other first nation in Canada. There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy. Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos posted throughout the Rez. He believes there is no such thing as consensus, that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with. Rent a plane, she told him, and fly them all to Iraq. Dump'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom. The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: 'Get involved, create jobs and meaningful jobs, not just window dressing for the oil companies.' 'The biggest employer,' he says, 'shouldn't be the band office.' He also says the time has come to get over it. 'No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments.' 'No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.' Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as rocking-chair money but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they earn all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see business manners develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be drive through, and then right back at it. 'You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development', he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition. Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it and, judging by the response, they loved it. Eighty per cent like what I have to say, Louie says, twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it.' 'Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again' 'Get some counseling.' The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard and wastes no time running around fighting 100-year-old battles. 'The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.' 'Blaming government? That time is overChief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos, BC, speaking in Northern Alberta : Speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in. 'I can't stand people who are late, he says into the microphone. Indian Time doesn't cut it. ' Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen: 'My first rule for success is Show up on time.' 'My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.' 'If your life sucks, it's because you suck.' 'Quit your sniffling.' 'Join the real world. Go to school, or get a job.' 'Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.' He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does. 'People often say to me, How you doin'? Geez I'm working with Indians what do you think?' Now they are openly laughing ..... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised and more. 'Our ancestors worked for a living, he says. So should you.' He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - you'd be seen as a racist. Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country even though he avoids national politics. He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad. Clarence Louie is chief and CEO of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief.. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration. In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there. The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any other first nation in Canada. There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy. Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos posted throughout the Rez. He believes there is no such thing as consensus, that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with. Rent a plane, she told him, and fly them all to Iraq. Dump'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom. The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: 'Get involved, create jobs and meaningful jobs, not just window dressing for the oil companies.' 'The biggest employer,' he says, 'shouldn't be the band office.' He also says the time has come to get over it. 'No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments.' 'No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.' Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as rocking-chair money but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they earn all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see business manners develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be drive through, and then right back at it. 'You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development', he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition. Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it and, judging by the response, they loved it. Eighty per cent like what I have to say, Louie says, twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it.' 'Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again' 'Get some counseling.' The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard and wastes no time running around fighting 100-year-old battles. 'The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.' 'Blaming government? That time is overChief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos, BC, speaking in Northern Alberta : Speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in. 'I can't stand people who are late, he says into the microphone. Indian Time doesn't cut it. ' Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen: 'My first rule for success is Show up on time.' 'My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.' 'If your life sucks, it's because you suck.' 'Quit your sniffling.' 'Join the real world. Go to school, or get a job.' 'Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.' He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does. 'People often say to me, How you doin'? Geez I'm working with Indians what do you think?' Now they are openly laughing ..... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised and more. 'Our ancestors worked for a living, he says. So should you.' He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - you'd be seen as a racist. Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country even though he avoids national politics. He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad. Clarence Louie is chief and CEO of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief.. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration. In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there. The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any other first nation in Canada. There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy. Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos posted throughout the Rez. He believes there is no such thing as consensus, that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with. Rent a plane, she told him, and fly them all to Iraq. Dump'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom. The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: 'Get involved, create jobs and meaningful jobs, not just window dressing for the oil companies.' 'The biggest employer,' he says, 'shouldn't be the band office.' He also says the time has come to get over it. 'No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments.' 'No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.' Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as rocking-chair money but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they earn all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see business manners develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be drive through, and then right back at it. 'You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development', he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition. Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it and, judging by the response, they loved it. Eighty per cent like what I have to say, Louie says, twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it.' 'Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again' 'Get some counseling.' The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard and wastes no time running around fighting 100-year-old battles. 'The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.' 'Blaming government? That time is overChief Clarence Louie, Osoyoos, BC, speaking in Northern Alberta : Speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in. 'I can't stand people who are late, he says into the microphone. Indian Time doesn't cut it. ' Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen: 'My first rule for success is Show up on time.' 'My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.' 'If your life sucks, it's because you suck.' 'Quit your sniffling.' 'Join the real world. Go to school, or get a job.' 'Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.' He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does. 'People often say to me, How you doin'? Geez I'm working with Indians what do you think?' Now they are openly laughing ..... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised and more. 'Our ancestors worked for a living, he says. So should you.' He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things - the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example - you'd be seen as a racist. Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country even though he avoids national politics. He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad. Clarence Louie is chief and CEO of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief.. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration. In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there. The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any other first nation in Canada. There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy. Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos posted throughout the Rez. He believes there is no such thing as consensus, that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with. Rent a plane, she told him, and fly them all to Iraq. Dump'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom. The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: 'Get involved, create jobs and meaningful jobs, not just window dressing for the oil companies.' 'The biggest employer,' he says, 'shouldn't be the band office.' He also says the time has come to get over it. 'No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments.' 'No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.' Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as rocking-chair money but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they earn all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see business manners develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be drive through, and then right back at it. 'You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development', he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition. Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it and, judging by the response, they loved it. Eighty per cent like what I have to say, Louie says, twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, 'Get over it.' 'Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again' 'Get some counseling.' The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard and wastes no time running around fighting 100-year-old battles. 'The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.' 'Blaming government? That time is over!

MIke you weren't told by authorities not to go on the Niagara River. The conditions hadn't deteriorated to the point of being unsafe. Reasonable risks are part of life and nobody thinks you should be billed for an accident that happens if you've taken reasonable precautions. Same applies to you Chris. Crap happens! Now if you're told to stay off of the Niagara because the ice on Erie is moving and there's a blizzard coming in that will hamper visibility then yeah I'd say bill you for the rescue. You didn't listen to the warnings. If you drive around a barricade on a closed highway I think you're billed, are you not? Dan O.

They need to deal with reckless people like this before they ruin it for the rest of us. Fine them for the cost of the rescue. The MNR can't enforce the fishing licenses we currently issue. Not much hope for a winter ice fishing licence. The guys that need regulating (ie. walk out on unsafe ice) wouldn't buy the licence anyway. The rest of us would buy the licence to comply. Kind of like the gun registry; the bad guys don't register their guns. Dan O.

American players obviously should be a part of the team as should Europeans but I don't believe either should make up most of any team. When the going gets tough they aren't going to lead the charge to the net. It's what they do in the playoffs that count not the regular season which is mostly non-body contact (except for this year). Burke had blinders on. He spend too much time scouting the NCAA to the exclusion of Canadian Juniors. Dan O.

Boy I'd love to be in the hall when those two pass each other as they hand off the "batton". UFC would look like a picnic! I wonder how much Cherry's dislike of Burke and Wilson had to do with their ultimate firing. Dan O.

Burke is an embarassment as a spokesperson for an NHL team. Rogers and Bell won't put up with his huge ego and his lack of polish. I couldn't stand watching him spit into that cup everytime they panned the Team press box. Embarrassing that a spokesperson for the leafs is caught on camera with DIP! I liked and bought into his idea of building the team with draft picks. "You don't trade away your future". Yeah right then he dumps three major picks for Kessel! Totally inconsistent and he lost all credibility with me. Let's trade Kessel and get the albatrose off of his neck. Let the kid go some where so he isn't haunted by a trade for which he has no responsibilty. I am absolutely sick of watching a Canadian team with so many Americans on the team. The NCAA doesn't play an NHL style. They don't play enough games to make them capable of playing an NHL style hockey. Burke totally dismissed the OHL, WHL and QHL because he was intent on drafting Americans. Let's draft players with some grit!!! Dan O.

Cabelas Canada or Cabelas USA? thanks for the heads up. Dan O.

So if you're in a car accident and you are convicted of an offense then you're at faulty. Do you get the bill for the rescue service that were needed to assit you? Don't think so! I would much rather see the courts determine who is at fault. They should have charged the ice fishermen that required rescue and then upon conviction have them pay for some of the rescue costs. Terry is right this is the Local Council's vendetta against ice fishermen! They really don't want ice fishing or any of the hassles that result )eg. parking). Dan O.

Ok thanks for the thread and the update. Yeah I know Google is my friend but old guys always tend to go to the horses mouth. At the risk of starting another hijacking, the fine sounds fair and I agree with Craig. Mistakes happen but when people don't take reasonable precautions then a fine is fair IMO. I like chocolate milk Bill! Well a day after the chocolate milk actually. Dan O.

I guess I see your points about iffy ice. I should select my words more carefully. I'm not a thrill seeker and I don't take any chances. I spud and all that stuff. I'm one of the last guys on the ice not one of the first. Having said that crap happens! On one occasion last year, I was out on Cooks Bay and with over a foot of black ice so I felt quite safe. Then the wind direction changed from Northwest to Southeast in a very short period of time. The main lake wasn't frozen so I headed for shore (knowing the ice would likely break free) and yup there was about 15' of newly opened water as the ice broke away. I walked the edge for over a km until I could find a reasonable way off. So if a rescue is required I am liable??? I know, I know.....never go one the ice until it's completely safe. Funny.... it's always guys that don't ice fish much that offer up that kind of advice. Stay off the banks of swollen river during the spring .... anybody a steelheader here???? How many guys are on those streams during spring runoff! I know I am. And yeah a $2200 bill would make me head for shore alot quicker. They're passing along the cost as a message and a deterrent to ice fishers. Dan O.