Ouch, Pigeon will be a toughy, even harder then rice I think! lol DEEEEEEEEEP, has been the ticket for Rice, of course not just any DEEP water but finding the couple "things" associated is how I patterened them.
Now for Simcoe, man, I have seriously tried to pattern the craps out there, I have never got one in the winter. They must just POD up in the big basin and suspend in clouds rotating the lake. I can't get on them. Now in the spring, pretty tough to beat Simcoe for them!