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Have a good time tonight boyz, if the party was 100 miles closer I'd be joining you.

Yup, I've seen that show a few times Joe and your right, there does appear to be a few places in this world even crazier than Toronto to drive in...and that's hard to believe

It's been 47 years now since I joined the Fire Dept. and back then when Toronto drivers heard a siren, they moved outta the way and stopped just like their sposed to. When I retired 14 years ago things had changed in a BIG way and 1/2 the drivers on the road had absolutely NO idea what they were sposed to do. Some seemed completely oblivious to the sirens and just continued on their merry way. Others got totally confused and I've even seen them come to a complete stop in the middle of the road forcing us to go around them. Toronto is a wild & crazy place to drive now and IMHO I think a huge problem is the fact that so many new immigrants have come from places in the world where they never saw heavy traffic and emergency vehicles are totally foreign to them and when they encounter them they just don't understand what to do. I now live on a little dirt road in the boonies & see about 3 cars a day and just the thought of driving big trucks through Toronto sends my blood pressure up about 12 points

I always find it ironic how people...or pets in your post...will be fined for not wearing a seatbelt, but passengers on streetcars and buses aren't required to wear them and are even allowed to stand while going down the road.

We were posting the same time Johnny but I spose Mom's car is what you were referring to.

Back in the day my mom had a 1955 Austin A-35 and it was the car I learned to drive in and what I took my test in. It didn't have standard turn signal lights either but instead had a switch on the dash that you flipped left or right and a little lighted arm would pop out of the door post just behing the front doors. When you completed your turn you flipped the switch back to center and the little arm folded back in again. Funny little car but alot of fun to drive. Wonder how many folks would even know what it was today if they saw those little arms flipping out This isn't Mom's car but you can just make out the arm behind the drivers door window.

If a car stops and you either hit him or have to swerve to miss him your following far too close, driving too fast, or your not paying attention to what your doing.

Their better at calling in polar bears

That was a sad case all around. I can see the jail time and even the community service but don't really know if the added 10 year driving suspension is really necessary. I dunno...

Back in the day when most vehicles were rear wheel drive it was pretty normal to only use "snow" tires on the back. Decent traction but steering could still be an issue.

Then why do they need new ones every year ??

Same here Joe and my wife does a fantastic job with cooking it but a few of us had dinner at another friends home recently and he did his differently and it was also excellent. He started off simmering 10 pounds of onions in a big skillet and then put the liver straight onto the BBQ grill. When it was half cooked he took it off the Q and buried it all down in the onions and simmered it all on low with the cover on the pan. Served that up with 10 pounds of Yukon Gold taters and it was some of the best liver I've ever had.

Yup, for sure John.

There's a restaurant at Burliegh Falls that serves a rib eye steak with blue cheese melted on top. Outstanding and I get it about once a month.

Great day Chris & Chris !!

If your walking across a frozen lake to your ice hut would you rather be wearing your dress shoes with a smooth leather sole or good winter boots with a rubber sole and lugs to grip the snow ?? Same with winter tires.

Good point Bill but don't limit the bad drivers to those over 60.

But what about the days when the roads aren't dry John ?? Just be on any road when there's a decent snowfall and cars are slipping & sliding all over the place and can't get up even smallish hills and they've got fuming drivers lined up behind them. As I said earlier, there's absolutely NOTHING worse than being fully equipped for winter driving but you can't go anywhere because of all the drivers that say they don't need winter tires.

A group of us from this board have been doing a spring trip to Nippissing for a lot of years and it often includes a big pike fry. TJ does the cooking and it's by far some of the tastiest fish anyone will ever have.

There's a huge difference Steve between winter & all season tires and it encompasses starting, stopping & turning on snow covered roads. Whether you've got front wheel drive, rear wheel or all wheel drive, put winter tires on all 4 corners and the difference is definitely day & night.

Then what's next Brian, a test for daytime driving and another for driving after dark ??

Winter tires have been mandatory in Quebec for a few years now and they have to be used between certain dates although I don't recall what they are. Wonder if winter accident rates have changed since the new law was introduced ??

I'm another one that always has dedicated winter tires plus 4X4 for the snowy months and absolutely hate getting stuck behind someone who doesn't have them. There's plenty of folks though that just don't bother to drive in nasty weather and because of that I don't really think they should be mandatory. My dad was a good example as he lived in Toronto where the roads get cleared relatively fast and he just didn't bother with winter tires in his later years and would just wait till the roads were clear. On the other hand, I had to go down to Peterboro last week when we got around 4-5" of snow and I saw a couple folks who had absolutely NO idea how to get around in that bit of white stuff and should have been riding the bus.

Don't take it wrong John, you started an interesting discussion and it's good to see different opinions.

Never could understand folks who have nice things and just let them rot away. If you don't want to sell them, why not give them to folks who would appreciate them.