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Seems like there is a fair bit of copy and paste going on above. So here is OP link pasted. What ever political party you prefer please review the list (all linked to new articles). It's long.

Bill C-51 is a terrible bill. Even the lawyers agree. This will take away freedoms without increasing safety. Scientists were muzzled now you are too. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/20/canadian-bar-association-_n_6913178.html

 

 

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And that's just the environmental front. I fear him more for how he has quietly but effectively changed Canada from being a Parliamentary system to one where the Prime Minister has ultimate power. Exactly what he was against while in opposition. Interesting research when you see how many positions he has completely reversed since taking the helm Dig below the spin. Rodcaster is 100% correct on the govern by fear comment, but failed to mention the denigration and negativity aspects. If you disagree with this man, you aren't given an opportunity to discuss it - you are denigrated and called equal to a pedophile, or on the side of the terrorists.

I lived in the UK for a while - during the period when the IRA was bombing trains and public places. That was terrorism.

 

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/12/07/how-harper-exploits-canadians-ignorance-of-parliamentary-democracy/

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Well.... what is wrong with C-51? In general most have no clue other than the idiots in Occupy and Idle are against it... which to mean make it more likely to be be good for Canada.

The original anti-terrorism bill was put in place in 2001 after the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York and some of it may be un-necessary but many of the interdepartmental lack of communications definitely needs to be fixed and allowing Hamas or ISIS to put up webpages on Canadian servers.... I have no problem seeing them removed.

 

Copied from a page I forgot to get the link for.
Summary of Bill C-51
The Bill is divided into five parts:

Part one enacts the Security of Canada Information Sharing Act, authorizing the disclosure throughout and within the government of Canada of information regarding activities that “undermine” Canadian security;
Part two enacts the Secure Air Travel Act, which creates listing mechanisms and prohibitions for persons who may pose a threat to air transportation or who may travel abroad to commit terrorism offenses;
Part three amends the Criminal Code in significant ways including the creation of propagation crimes criminalizing the expression of ideas related to terrorism and its propaganda;
Part four broadens the mandate of CSIS to operate both inside and outside of Canada (also in conjunction with Bill C-44) and to this end to be authorized to seek judicial authorization on a number of matters that may otherwise violate Canadian law and the Constitution; and
Part five relates to amendments to immigration security certificate legislation allowing, in part, the government to withhold information from the specially appointed, national security approved Special Advocates retained to represent a detained person in confidential and closed national security hearings.




Now I can also list a bunch of items and in my case I will make sure they aren't from.. uh ..."questionable" sources like Mike De Souze, Desmog and the Toronto Star and often even CBC.. (remember how Wynne thanked CBC for all their hard work in getting elected, I have seen them lie many times...) so here are a few things done by Conservatives that I think are good:

Harper takes a pension hit on new bill (Prime Minister Stephen Harper stands to lose well over $1-million in retirement benefits extended to prime ministers under pension reforms and MP retirment moved from 55 to 67)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-takes-a-pension-hit-on-new-bill/article4625835/

 

‘Lucky Moose Bill’ loosens self-defence, citizen’s arrest laws

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/12/lucky-moose-bill-loosens-self-defence-citizens-arrest-laws/

C-68 Long gun registry killed ($2,000,000,000 waste dead)
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/02/15/tories_finally_win_commons_approval_for_bill_to_kill_longgun_registry.html

National dementia research intitiative gets $31.5M federal funding
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/national-dementia-research-intitiative-gets-31-5m-federal-funding-1.2762253

Federal government wants to force big telecom to stop charging extra for a monthly bill on paper
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/29/federal-government-wants-to-force-big-telecom-to-stop-charging-extra-for-a-monthly-bill-on-paper/

Ottawa unveils proposals to relieve taxpayers from covering bank bailouts
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/08/01/ottawa-unveils-proposals-to-relieve-taxpayers-from-covering-bank-bailouts/

First Nation Financial Transparency Act First Nations are now required to post chiefs’ and councillors’ salaries online
http://globalnews.ca/news/1480609/first-nations-now-required-to-post-chiefs-and-councillors-salaries-online/

Crack downs on Immigration Fraud.. Blatant lying loses family its citizenship — but earns them a $63K bill from Canadian government
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/28/blatantly-lying-loses-family-its-citizenship-but-earns-them-a-63k-bill-from-canadian-government/

Conservatives’ gun law changes in C-42 would ease transportion restrictions, require mandatory safety courses
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/23/conservatives-gun-law-changes-would-ease-transportion-restrictions-require-mandatory-safety-courses/

NOTE*** But lets not forget the outright LIES from the leader of the LIbEral's and on the Liberal's own page.
https://www.liberal.ca/lpc-opposes-cpc-gun-bill/



Canada launches plan to extend high-speed Internet to remote areas
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2014/7/22/Canada-launches-plan-to-extend-high-speed-Internet-to-remote-areas.aspx

Health Canada is proposing changes to nutrition labels on food that would make them easier to read
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/nutrition-labels-to-be-easier-to-read-health-canada-proposes-1.2706310

Domestic wireless roaming fees to be capped
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/domestic-wireless-roaming-fees-to-be-capped-1.2468642

Pre-paid creditcards won't be allowed to expire under new rules proposed today by Ottawa
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/prepaid-credit-cards-draw-ottawa-crackdown-1.2448929

Canada and Europe sign historic trade deal
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-and-europe-sign-historic-trade-deal-1.2125122

Harper government offers student loan forgiveness to family doctors and nurses working in 4,200 rural communities
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-eng.do?m=%2Findex&nid=713369

Harper government raising liability for nuclear, offshore oil & gas operators to $1 billion from previous $75 million
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ottawa-set-to-raise-civilian-liability-for-nuclear-oil-operators-to-1b-1.1662637

Harper rejects calls to bail out eurozone
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/16/tories-once-again-reject-calls-to-bail-out-eurozone-as-merkel-arrives-for-meeting-with-harper/

All-in airline ticket pricing now in effect for ads
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/18/pol-cp-airlines-advertising-all-in-ticket-pricing.html

Ottawa invests millions to promote tourism in Atlantic Canada
http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ottawa-invests-millions-to-promote-tourism-in-atlantic-canada-1.1024952

P.E.I. small craft harbours to get $3.5M for repairs
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/story/2012/07/16/pei-federal-funding-small-craft-harbours-584.html

Ottawa to allow credit unions to more easily go national: Flaherty
http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/Business/2012-07-05/article-3024241/Ottawa-to-allow-credit-unions-to-more-easily-go-national%3A-Flaherty/1

Brain research in Canada gets $100 million boost from Ottawa
http://www.moneyville.ca/article/1172310--brain-research-in-canada-gets-100-million-boost-from-ottawa

Canada to fund research into making medical isotopes
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/22/us-medicalisotopes-idUSBRE85L10520120622

Tories back Ontario MP’s bid to prevent bulk water exports
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-back-ontario-mps-bid-to-prevent-bulk-water-exports/article2434670/

Contaminated site cleanup boosted by Ottawa, 1,100 sites targeted as $1 billion to be spent over the next 3 years
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/10/04/cp-ottawa-contaminated-site-cleanup-canada.html

Ottawa pledges more than $140-million to establish first urban national park
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-pledges-more-than-140-million-to-establish-first-urban-national-park/article2443461/

Ottawa tables bill to give EI benefits to parents of sick kids
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-tables-bill-to-give-ei-benefits-to-parents-of-sick-kids/article4556459/?cmpid=rss1

Ottawa establishes task force on employing people with disabilities
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ottawa-establishes-task-force-on-employing-people-with-disabilities-1.897110

Ottawa revoking citizenship of more than 3,000 after fraud investigation
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-revoking-citizenship-of-more-than-3000-after-fraud-investigation/article4532222/

Ottawa tackles fraudulent use of Canadian student visas
http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/07/31/ottawa-tackles-fraudulent-use-of-canadian-student-visas/

Conservative bill tackles polygamy, forced marriage among immigrants
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/11/05/honourbased_violence_polygamy_targeted_in_conservative_bill.html





Or how about more tax savings (some of which the Liberals have openly said they would remove)...

TSFA accounts,
Registered Disability Savings Plan,
Universal Child Care Benefit,
Income splitting (allowing a spouce to stay home if needed for children, older parents...) ,
increased tax credits for kids sports and programs etc.
http://www.taxplanningguide.ca/tax-planning-guide/section-2-individuals/income-splitting-family-members/



Some other items you can chew on include allowing new foreign owned companies like Wind Mobile to enter Canadian mobile phone market, bailing out auto companies along with Ontario Liberal government during financial crisis was sensible. blocking sale of Potash Corp to BHP Billiton, buying the military gear appropriate to Afghanistan and sending the tanks and proper armour to them after the Liberals had got them posted to Khandhar, C-36 prostitution bill (what one woman who was a prostitute refers to as the best solution for Canada), Mandatory sentences for criminals...and I could go on.


Tax cuts since 2005 net Canadians $30B
http://globalnews.ca/news/1356467/tax-cuts-since-2005-net-canadians-30b-pbo/


Now while Justin Trudeau is known for taking speaking fees ($20,000 or more) from charities Harper actually helps...

 

PM participates in a fundraising dinner celebrating the 10th anniversary of Humanity First Canada
Proceeds to support fight against Ebola in West Africa

http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2014/12/04/pm-participates-fundraising-dinner-celebrating-10th-anniversary-humanity-first

 

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, left, holds a clipboard while coaching with hockey personality Don Cherry during Hockey Night in Barrie, a fundraiser to raise money for the Royal Victoria Hospital's cancer care centre, in Barrie, Ont.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/pm-coaches-with-don-cherry-for-charity-hockey-game-1.541821

 

and now that I have burned off some energy, there are more if I had the time to argue with closed minds but there was even a bonus added for first time charity donations in the tax deductions.

 

 

 

so the choices seem simple....


Conservative
- generally well thought out programs, less taxes and responsibility


Liberal or NDP (generally indistinguisable) -
- billions of new programs (Universal daycare est at $5 to $10 Billion PER YEAR alone),
- billions in taxes in the gov't pockets and higher unemployment as companies leave Canada as fast as they have left Ontario
- firearm laws (using Liberal's own words).. using an Australian model.
- clueless money management (Justin Trudeau - "budgets balance themselves")
- carbon taxes

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"Well.... what is wrong with C-51? In general most have no clue other than the idiots in Occupy and Idle are against it... which to mean make it more likely to be be good for Canada."

 

? Really?

 

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csis-oversight-urged-by-ex-pms-as-conservatives-rush-bill-c-51-debate-1.2963179

 

As the Harper government moved to speed up the parliamentary debate on its latest anti-terrorism legislation, four former prime ministers — three Liberal and one Progressive Conservative — are among almost two dozen prominent Canadians calling for stronger security oversight.

The joint statement, published in English and French newspapers Thursday, comes as the Conservative government proposes a new mandate for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).

"Protecting human rights and protecting public safety are complementary objectives, but experience has shown that serious human rights abuses can occur in the name of maintaining national security," the statement says.

"Given the secrecy around national security activities, abuses can go undetected and without remedy.

"This results not only in devastating personal consequences for the individuals, but a profoundly negative impact on Canada's reputation as a rights-respecting nation."

The letter is signed by Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin, Joe Clark, John Turner and 18 others involved in security matters between 1968 and 2014, including:

  • five former Supreme Court justices.
  • seven former Liberal solicitors general and ministers of justice.
  • three past members of the intelligence review committee.
  • two former privacy commissioners.
  • a retired RCMP watchdog.

The Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) currentlyoversees CSIS, conducting several studies each year and tabling a report in Parliament. But critics point out the review committee is just that, a review body, not an oversight agency peering over the spy service's shoulder in real time.

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Since we're talking about politics and gov'ts, Here's an interesting article about the founding father of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, who recently passed away at the age of 91. Take it for what it's worth:

 

http://t.thestar.com/?referrer=#/article/news/world/2015/03/22/singapore-founding-father-lee-kuan-yew-dies-at-91.html

 

On some levels, I see similarities with Stephen Harper.

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"Well.... what is wrong with C-51? In general most have no clue other than the idiots in Occupy and Idle are against it... which to mean make it more likely to be be good for Canada."

 

? Really?

 

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csis-oversight-urged-by-ex-pms-as-conservatives-rush-bill-c-51-debate-1.2963179

 

As the Harper government moved to speed up the parliamentary debate on its latest anti-terrorism legislation, four former prime ministers — three Liberal and one Progressive Conservative — are among almost two dozen prominent Canadians calling for stronger security oversight.

The joint statement, published in English and French newspapers Thursday, comes as the Conservative government proposes a new mandate for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).

"Protecting human rights and protecting public safety are complementary objectives, but experience has shown that serious human rights abuses can occur in the name of maintaining national security," the statement says.

"Given the secrecy around national security activities, abuses can go undetected and without remedy.

"This results not only in devastating personal consequences for the individuals, but a profoundly negative impact on Canada's reputation as a rights-respecting nation."

The letter is signed by Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin, Joe Clark, John Turner and 18 others involved in security matters between 1968 and 2014, including:

  • five former Supreme Court justices.
  • seven former Liberal solicitors general and ministers of justice.
  • three past members of the intelligence review committee.
  • two former privacy commissioners.
  • a retired RCMP watchdog.

The Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) currentlyoversees CSIS, conducting several studies each year and tabling a report in Parliament. But critics point out the review committee is just that, a review body, not an oversight agency peering over the spy service's shoulder in real time.

 

 

Yeah REALLY... first your link is coming from CBC which makes it suspect anyway given that the Liberals and NDP have already promised to increase their funding but we will take it they got it right this time... . although CBC did seem fairly fair in this one article...

 

"An Angus Reid Institute poll released Thursday suggested four in five Canadians support Bill C-51, while one in three felt the new powers may not go far enough. However, 69 per cent of those surveyed wanted additional oversight to ensure law enforcement's powers aren't abused."

 

So look at who is speaking out against it...

Jean Chrétien, Paul Martin, Joe "who" Clark, John Turner - I couldn't think of a much more useless lot.

 

Five former Supreme Court justices. - Which Supreme Court... . Quebec?

 

seven former Liberal solicitors general and ministers of justice

 

etc.

 

FIRST.... what do they have the issue with? What point(s)?

 

Second is it a reliabe comment based on facts OR is it a stupid anti fear mongering comment to low info voters like the C-42 lies...

 

The Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on Bill C-42:

“The Liberal Party of Canada feels strongly that Bill C-42, currently before Parliament, contains aspects that will put Canadians’ safety at risk.

“First, it eliminates the need for owners of prohibited and restricted firearms to have a transportation license to carry those guns in their vehicles. This means they could freely transport handguns or automatic weapons anywhere within their province, whether to a grocery store or a soccer field."

https://www.liberal.ca/lpc-opposes-cpc-gun-bill/

 

 

The Canadian Bar Assiciation wants it to have a 5 year run and be reviewed (which makes sense), but the comments of Cretien etc read like the political idiots at Idle and Occupy or the Harper Haters that just make supid generic comments...essentially hate of what ever comes up. The Liberals support it, 80% of the population support it, in general I support it but do agree that the additional oversight looks good

 

But big sweeping rantings like the NDP, Idle and Occupy are nothing more than obvious politicing to me!! No contribution, no focused criticism... just Henny Penny screaming. So other than being a talking head parroting some of the worst Prime Ministers in Canadian history, WHY?

 

 

 

 

Since we're talking about politics and gov'ts, Here's an interesting article about the founding father of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, who recently passed away at the age of 91. Take it for what it's worth:

 

http://t.thestar.com/?referrer=#/article/news/world/2015/03/22/singapore-founding-father-lee-kuan-yew-dies-at-91.html

 

On some levels, I see similarities with Stephen Harper.

 

Lee Kuan Yew was a strong leader that built a peaceful and prosperous nation, he was an interesting and inspirational leader.... it would be fun to see the reaction in Parliament and the media to caning being added to the penalties for some of the youth crimes.,I do believe it would make a difference to some bring home a real impact of their actions and being accountable, that few seconds of pain and the embarrasment of a public punishment, I wonder ... 10%, 30%...? How many would it make change their future direction???.

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As an soon-to-be ex employee of AECL (and 3,400 of my coworkers), and losing my pension at 45 years of age thanks to the federal Conservative government, all I can say is that the MP for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke had better remove her high heels before campaigning at my door so she can run...and I hope for her sake she can run FAST.

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As an soon-to-be ex employee of AECL (and 3,400 of my coworkers), and losing my pension at 45 years of age thanks to the federal Conservative government, all I can say is that the MP for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke had better remove her high heels before campaigning at my door so she can run...and I hope for her sake she can run FAST.

 

 

Unless you know something everyone else doesn't know the pension contributions are safe last I saw on one of the science pages talking about the sale and most of those employees will be picked up by what ever group or consortium buys it. I have been in companies bought out several times. You may have it transfered to a locked in RRSP or to a new companies plan or a third option dependant on the conditions of the sale but anything in it will not be lost. The contracts for places like Chalk River will probably be good for the employment over time actually, most government run programs are poorly managed in direction and innovation.

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As an employee yes, I probably know something everyone else doesn't. I won't bore anyone with the details, not hijacking the thread and don't expect anyone's sympathy, but you are fairly incorrect.

 

The Conservatives won't be happy until we are all making $12.50 an hour with no benefits and two weeks vacation...and don't dare ever get ill. It shouldn't be a race to the bottom.

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As an employee yes, I probably know something everyone else doesn't. I won't bore anyone with the details, not hijacking the thread and don't expect anyone's sympathy, but you are fairly incorrect.

 

The Conservatives won't be happy until we are all making $12.50 an hour with no benefits and two weeks vacation...and don't dare ever get ill. It shouldn't be a race to the bottom.

 

Is AECL the only place you ever worked? Have you been involved in any of the management discussions or part of HR? You seem ignorant of the private companies, employment laws and I am wondering what you are basing your statement on?

 

Empirically the Conservatives have increased write offs, credits, RRSPs, added TFSA and reduced taxes including the GST twice... so other than privativing your particular company what are you basing it on?

 

It reminds me of the fear mongering and whining when Air Canada and CN were privatized. Odds are there will be stock options, good benefits and projects dictated by demand and contracts rather than some political whim and you will be much less likely to be shut down as a cost saving political decision but if whining makes you feel better, go right ahead just base it on something real.

 

 

 

In the mean time talk to HR, take any classes you can and make yourself more attractive to a new employer instead of taking the attitude you seem to have, at one company I even helped the HR person organize classes and even tought a couple, been there, done that several times, initiative, attitude and planning will help you out. Think, try, do.... are better than Whine, give up and fail... Good luck

 

 

P.S. One of the companies during the buyout sent the 50% of us reduced to a course on how to search for jobs and one of their tools was a personality test to look at what you were good at, your attitude etc. I looked around and found one that looks similar you can try. That and working on your resume to see what you have to offer is good if you need to find a new job and if you need to explain and justify their keeping you.

http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

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Is AECL the only place you ever worked? Have you been involved in any of the management discussions or part of HR? You seem ignorant of the private companies, employment laws and I am wondering what you are basing your statement on?

 

 

 

Really? You've made all those assumptions from my tiny little post and (Egad! The nerve of myself!!) my opinion?

 

Thanks for your help and setting me straight. :worthy:

 

Note to self...avoid ALL political threads on a fishing forum! :wallbash:

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Really? You've made all those assumptions from my tiny little post and (Egad! The nerve of myself!!) my opinion?

 

Thanks for your help and setting me straight. :worthy:

 

Note to self...avoid ALL political threads on a fishing forum! :wallbash:

 

I made it based on your comments about your job, about the "knowledge" you have that contradicts anything I have read about the sale and Canadian law, your attitude in your posts, the views of the conservative party and the tone of your posts. So yes, maybe you should avoid ALL political posts or those based on careers and profesionalism.

 

Even this post shows an over confidence, a certain arrogance and attitude that will likely end you up on unemployment.

 

Given the impression you have made in your comments ... no humility, no respect, arrogance... good luck, I think you will need it.

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Mosquito (what a fitting name...), as you seem to be very knowledgeable about this "sale", I and 3,399 of my whining lackies have a couple requests of you. We realize you are very busy, with saving the world from political misinformation, global warming and such, but if you could make some time for us lazy peasants we'd be in your debt.

 

First, and this is a biggie, can we please kiss your ring?

 

Next, as you are so knowledgeable of the "sale" and overall situation, could you offer your vast knowledge to the government and to the management of the crown corporation and make sure they are doing the "sale" according to Canadian law? We know that management has made some poor decisions in the past, and the government hasn't been truthful (Egad! I'm sorry for this, I hope I haven't raised the ire of your holiness!), but with YOU there, we know this would be done properly! We will sing a song at our next union meeting in your honour! I hope we can remember all those words though...

 

All hail to the Mosquito! :worthy:

 

Now...if I could offer some advice to the Mosquito. One of the things I've learnt is that the world isn't black and white, there is some grey in there too. The arrogance and tone of your posts would indicate you are a close-minded person, I hope this isn't the case - I used to think this way, but life showed me otherwise. Don't compare your life and experiences to others and don't judge them. You have no idea what their journey is all about.

 

I wanna go fishing! :Gonefishing:

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Why not compare? I have worked at 2 companies that were mergers and had large layoffs and 3 that no longer exist (a bankruptcy is where pensions can disappear, not sales) companies that are large and some very small. As for my ire... heck no, I have worked with iritating, arrogant and insulting people many times, I usually feel sorry for them because their attitude limits them and alienates those around them. Your attitude of entitlement and pride won't help you keep or find another position if needed.

 

Yeah... union, that fits with your unwillingness to learn and response to working with HR, and your display of "knowledge" about pension contributions. Well if you with to learn from my knowledge and experience here is one item.... Unions look out for Union management FIRST, their members a distant second and if it means protecting their positions and power they have no problem screwing over members so relying on them is like using a balsa wood walking stick, looks good until you need it. Rely on yourself first, going to the union is an unreliable tool of last resort.

If you want to sing, sing about taking responsibility, learning and looking for a Plan 'B' instead of a wow is me dirge of doom and self pity. I have worked at big companies and small, often at the small you are manager, sales, support and at the end of the day janitor taking out the trash, so suck it up and quit sounding like a spoiled pampered child. Talk to workers, friends, family, take the personality test to see what you would be good at and If your only goal is to go fishing then why not work on your personality for around customers and find a resort or guide you can work with during your vacation as part of plan B (you will probably have to volunteer this year).

 

As for me this week I have to look into which of (if not both) courses I will take (at my own dime) I will take this season. Failing to learn is most notabley FAILING!.

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