Grimace Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Maximum horsepower rating for that hull is 150. Selling it to someone with a 50 on it is disingenuous. They should not even offer it with less than a 90. I feel sorry for first time boat buyers who may not know much about boats and are taking bad advice from sales people to get into these mismatches. That 50hp package is only 33% of the rated HP for that hull, 50hp is only 66% of the rated HP for the Xtreme 16. I strongly doubt that 50hp could even plane out that 18 foot hull. Maybe a couple of sandbags up front. Once you get the upgrade package with a suitable sized engine then you are at the same price point as the competition. I have heard good things about Legend hulls (Smokercraft make them don't they?), but I find the marketing tactics to be unsavoury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 wow - Grimace, typed at the exact same time... I'm quite confident 99% of FISHERMAN have the same feeling....but legend boats aren't marketed for fisherman....just first timers who don't know any better.... taking advantage of the "uninformed"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Steve, we think alike but you are a faster typist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Glad we're sellin Nadens with no motors... Sorry Henry.. but gotta agree with them. A boat that won't get up "on the step", and instead is stuck at hull speed when loaded, is just a disaster waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbouck Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 That boat will go 30MPH with a 50. I am fine with a 50 on mine. BTW I am a fisherman and I do know better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Is your boat an 18 Dan? I do not see a 50hp pushing an 18 foot boat 30mph. Maybe a 16 footer. If you say it does it, it must do it. You must travel light. How long does it take to get on plane? I am not doubting you by the way, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbouck Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Is your boat an 18 Dan? I do not see a 50hp pushing an 18 foot boat 30mph. Maybe a 16 footer. If you say it does it, it must do it. You must travel light. How long does it take to get on plane? I am not doubting you by the way, just curious. Mine is 16.5, that is 17.5. With just me it's on plane instantly. With a couple other guys it takes maybe 5 seconds Never timed it. I do have smart tabs as well My weight makes the 1' weight difference unfortunatly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 my 17' boat weighs 676 lbs. it's a tiller. i have a 50hp 4 stroke. i can get MAX 30mph.... with a standard load, I can get 27-28mph. that hull weighs 1,175lbs. you do the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Your package is at 66% of the power rating which isn't that bad. The Xtreme 18 is only a foot longer like you say but it is a much bigger boat. The hull is 4 inches deeper, the beam is 8 inches wider, the hull is 200 pounds heavier and the capacity is 350 pounds heavier. The HP rating is double. I stand by my original assessment of the 50hp engine on that 18 Xtreme. Percentage wise, that package is comparable to your boat with a 25 on it, which is currently half the size as what you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeontroller Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 If your 16.5 with a 50 hp gets you on plane instantly...My 16.5 must be like the Millenium Falcon going into light speed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbouck Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Couldn't tell ya, I was only on the Millenium Falcon once but we never went into light speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhenrygsr Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) LOL too funny. We do not run an online shopping cart that a customer can simply go on click on the boat and wait for it to be delivered to their front door step. We believe in talking to everyone about a boat purchase and recommend the right horsepower for their needs. What kind of lake are you on?, How many people will be in the boat?, What is the purpose of the boat?... The list goes on and on. The salesperson builds a relationship with the customer and makes sure they have the right horsepower for their needs. These are just some of the things our dealers touch base on when talking to the customer. We do have customers that live on small lakes and the boat never leaves. So why should we try to push them to huge horsepower when they can't even go wide open. YEP... That boat there is rated for 200HP you need 150HP on the back. Doesn't matter what your doing with the boat sir. The marine world is filled with sales consultants that want you to have a great experience on the water. We build relationships with customers and help them choose the right boat and outboard based on there needs. Example pricing from a competitor: Priced with a 25Hp rated for 50HP. No idea how much more it is to get to the 85% of the recommended HP or does the customer need to max it out? What is the difference between this and ours? Will the dealer talk about all the points I mentioned earlier you betcha! Edited January 24, 2012 by Henry Nguyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhenrygsr Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Couldn't tell ya, I was only on the Millenium Falcon once but we never went into light speed LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 So what is the right situation for a family to buy an 18 foot deep v hull powered with a 50hp engine? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radnine Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Henry, I'm sorry, but what you are offering is DANGEROUS. A first time boat owner may not understand how UNDERPOWERED a 50hp motor on your listed boat would be. If it's rated for a 150hp, and your "salesman" can conciously offer a 50hp motor on it - well, it says a lot about the company. I'm quite confident any respectable dealer would never ever sell a boat with a motor that is only rated at 33% of the max hp. Yes, your correct, a buyer can upgrade. BUT will your salesman explain that it is unsafe to purchase that boat with the "included" motor of 50hp?! Purely dangerous. In my mind equal to a car dealership selling a Yukon truck with breaks for a civic. You can tell them, "just don't break too hard" ... just as likely you'll tell me "it's better than staying on shore" ... but really, is it? The LEAST you should ever rig a boat rated for a 150hp is a 90hp engine. So your "included" price should be with a 90hp, MINIMUM! The only dangerous thing is the fact that the internet makes everyone an expert (except of course the guys that own Legends and the guy that works for Legend, they appparently don't know anything). Henry and Dan are welded together in their opinions, and the rest of you are riveted to one idea: everything but Lund is bad (throw Alumacraft in there as well, they are two peas in a pod as are the people that will know no other). I hope that the general boat buying public appreciates the service you guys are providing them by protecting them from the boat company who's only mission is to fill the lakes with boats that are struggling to get on plane. You guys need to find a more public vehicle for your message because it is clearly not being heard, the bloody lakes are filled with people in Legends. If only they knew the danger that they were in. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I don't think Henry is the one putting the packages together. Of course it's put together that way to make it more pleasing to the eye, every industry is guilty of this type of marketing. I don't think Henry would ever let a customer out the door knowing that the boat he sold them, knowing it's intended use was critically underpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeontroller Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 The only dangerous thing is the fact that the internet makes everyone an expert (except of course the guys that own Legends and the guy that works for Legend, they appparently don't know anything). Henry and Dan are welded together in their opinions, and the rest of you are riveted to one idea: everything but Lund is bad (throw Alumacraft in there as well, they are two peas in a pod as are the people that will know no other). I hope that the general boat buying public appreciates the service you guys are providing them by protecting them from the boat company who's only mission is to fill the lakes with boats that are struggling to get on plane. You guys need to find a more public vehicle for your message because it is clearly not being heard, the bloody lakes are filled with people in Legends. If only they knew the danger that they were in. Jim Jim, you need to lighten up...All that tension is bad for your health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 The only dangerous thing is the fact that the internet makes everyone an expert (except of course the guys that own Legends and the guy that works for Legend, they appparently don't know anything). Henry and Dan are welded together in their opinions, and the rest of you are riveted to one idea: everything but Lund is bad (throw Alumacraft in there as well, they are two peas in a pod as are the people that will know no other). I hope that the general boat buying public appreciates the service you guys are providing them by protecting them from the boat company who's only mission is to fill the lakes with boats that are struggling to get on plane. You guys need to find a more public vehicle for your message because it is clearly not being heard, the bloody lakes are filled with people in Legends. If only they knew the danger that they were in. Jim Nobody said Legend boats were dangerous; they said that a extremely underpowered boat (i.e. 1/3 of max hp) was dangerous. The only relation Legend is that they seem to be the most likely boat to be that underpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhenrygsr Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I'm here to help people get on the water safely and to create memories. I love my job and very passionate about fishing, boating, meeting new customers and forums such as this one. We are not the only company that will do a base outboard and show upgrades, it's marketing. It's up to the salesperson to do their job and get the customer into the right boat for their needs. I dont know any other way to put it. If I didn't work for a marine company, I would be doing my research and look for a boat that will suit my needs and choose the appropriate horsepower for the lakes I fish on. We don't bash our competitors, they all make great boats or else they wouldn't be in this industry. Thanks to every one for reading the post. It's great information for trevy727 to decide what feature and benefit he is looking for in a boat. Rather it's Legend or a competitor i'm sure the salesperson will do his job in getting him the correct horsepower for the waters he's fishing on. Edited January 27, 2012 by Henry Nguyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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