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I wear two hats these days, one is a conservation director for the CBAF and the other vice chair of CRAA I saw that zone 17-18 had made some great inroads to a regulatory change for bass and advised through the CBAF that we should also request such to the Zone 20 manager and council. In quick fashion the science was adressed and adopted, MNR chose to also preceed with the regulatory change for Zone 20. Great forward thinking and positive attitude towards a change really what the MNR should be about. Im pretty sure 19 and 16 will follow suit in two years, although I strongly believe Simcoe should be left out of any change due to its different spawning cycles. Now if we can get a trophy bass season on Eire to mimic NY that would be great!!( NEXT CHALLANGE MAYBE) The second is CRAA, those that know me understand those chrome things are my pets and because they dont speak I adopted to be thier voice in southern ontario through CRAA, its members and dedicated board. It was I who with the support of the club solely that requested this change on rainbows, It is a positive change in the right direction. Thanks MNR for finally being proactive!! If we reduce mortality via harvest by 10 % then we are on the right track personally I think this does way more. Sadly I have yet to see 5 fish recover on an ice chest or any fish recover from being mishandled regardless of malice or mis-intention.. For those that quibble about angling mortality and floaters, Im sure that like many changes we all will adapt. 500 feet of cooper usually will kill the fish as does flopping ona deck for 10 minutes, so taking time to refresh or re adapt technique that provides the best chance for a successful release should be your mantra anyhow. Eating fish in a sustainable fishery is a warranted act, if we give up that right the non anglers win, this is about helping to make a great fishery becoime a world class destination. For those that argue this change, the opportunity did exist to comment on the EBR as it did through the vast array of stakeholders in the province. Sorry if this change offends some but based on avaliable data it was the right course. milo

the methods mentioned via import dont work........it will sync to a file on my pc but wont download from the phone to the pc grrrr

thanks Gents I ll try the methods and let ya know

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I do it behind my boat all the time. Tie off to the transom tie down and let it rip, just remember most tubes arent rated for more then 35 miles an hr

Fmz 20 covers all of lake Ontario and the bay of quinte Proposed bass reg changes for FMZ 17, 18 and 20. Currently FMZ 17 – 4th Saturday in June to December 15th Currently FMZ 18 & 20 – 4th Saturday in June to November 30th Proposed For FMZ 17, 18 & 20 – 3rd Saturday in June to December 15th Proposed increase in Muskellunge minimum size limit in FMZ 20 Current – 122cm (48 inches) and 112cm (44inches) in the lower Niagara River. Proposed – 137cm (54 inches) for all of zone 20 Please visit ontario.ca/zonecouncils for further info If you would like to comment please provide your feed back to: Marc Desjardins Lake Ontario Management Unit 41 Fish Hatchery Lane, RR#4 Picton, On, K0K 2T0 Email: [email protected]

The guys up on the geen are doing awsome things to move that fishery along. Rearing fish is an expensive time consuming excercise that requires lots of man power and effort good on them. If the goal is a put delay and take fishery they are on the right path with robust fish as the source for eggs, if its a sustainable fishery based on Natural reproduction again they are making some decent inroads also, time will tell just how great and sustainable that fishery can become. I had a meeting over fish today and one thing that I mentioned as part of the dialogue and something I really want to echo to anyone who fishes, because many of us have lost sight of the real intent of this The Credit right here right now has the largest run of wild naturally reproducing anadromous fish since Atlantic Salmon were etripated in the 1800's. Driven by volenteers who daily and I mean daily collide with other groups who want rainbows stopped dead in thier tracks at a dam with zero potential for natural reproduction. Without craa the Credit would have a run of 800 to 1200 fish yet despite all the opposition to CRAA transfers and such we continue transfers, a stocking program, habitat restoration and more, thankfully there is an MNR who believes we are doing the right thing. We believe 12000 to 15000 fish with enter the system this year 100% due to volenteers transferring them above Norval to reproduce naturally. The MNR has no capacity to wipe its behind yet an Urban stream with all its issues has achieved something that hasnt occured since the 1800's that folks is what should be celebrated, and worked on to continue. We dont always have to agree, volenteers wear thier heart on a slevve, thats the intrinsic nature of a volenteer. None the less we should stand up and celebrate what we have achieved. Mike said it best two rivers with the largest runs of Rainbow Trout in the province run by two great groups......not a coincidence PLEASE stop the rebuttals and celebrate what we in fact have....two world class rainbow fisheries on our doorsteps, all because of a handful of volenteers. Volenteer your time, money and will power because without the volenteers these rivers would be conduits for nothing more then empty water Lous Milo Vice Chairman CRAA

the MNR was an election issue two cycles ago, there was a clear cut policy document that the tories ran on. It covered parks, fee for service, enforcement, Special purpose acounts, increase in CWFIP and lots more a really good map for the rebuilding of the MNR. I wrote much of the policy the was adapted and put into the campaign I can dig it out and post it sadly someone decided to bring line 87 of the blue book out and tory lost the election. The MNR is continuing to get a gut once again. The liberal cabinet office has no care of concerns for the environment, hence the risk management policy. I think sooner or later someone will sue the MNR over its lack of capacity, and heaven forbid someone gets hurt due to the provinces mismanagement of its affairs. Lately all I hear is "MNR cant do that due to its lack of capacity" so the do nothing approach is taken which is simply unaceptable. Organize a 10,000 person march on Queens Park and I think some changes might ocur, sadly if it was organized 100 guys would show up..and thats a true symptom, in the absense of revolt the government assumes all is ok. Consider ourselves lucky we have what we have.

I made it through somehow. Someone really needs to teach this clown how to type in a paragraph or something, sorry Snidley ( the man who pokes bee's nests) I liked that....I tuned you out have a nice life in the belly boat off Bronte I dont discredit the fact there is validity to many arguements, in the end it comes down to recreational angling and that equates to bigger fish and more of them. Mr Snidley does not have the ability or resources to attach relevent scientific data to support anything....other then arm chair commentary from the peanut gallery Please post factual information not based on antodotal comments if your going to continue TUNED OUT...

Mike I ll donate some of my gooey spawn sacs to you next time

that Craig should be you my friend

ouch painful read Brian once out of the fish it has to be fertilized within a few minutes, after that the membrane hardens and is no longer viable Paul ( snidley ) what ever your name is......we get it you hate organic/ bait anglers, you hate craa ofah the mnr and everyone in between. You eat dandlions and drink soy milk from sustainable organic farms, while looking down the glasses at us carnivore's. You eat nothing with a face or heart, we totally get it your the OFC representation for P3TA.....we totally get it. You like to post information that in many cases is false or speculative at best, we get that too. You dont like to do any form or conservation work, yet love to use the resource as much as you can, we get that too....and boy do you like to spount your anti everything agenda on the internet while getting banned off forums ...we get that too. WE GET YOUR POINT...we really really get it. Thank you for speaking up did I say we hear your message Harvesting fish from a sustainable fishery is a great source of food and comfort, we get you love soy milk and are a macro vegan, because if your not what a complete hypocrite but hey we get it maybe its pot stirring or simply too much pot, of course organically grown with no animal testing involved... Harvesting fish to eat and use thier eggs as bait is legal, an accepted practice and while in certain cases not right due to the fragiity of a fishery its still within someones right, we get that too.... please go away, I think we all get that message too

Thanks Mike your comments are realy apreciated!

A steelhead and a rainbow are exactly the same no difference nadda zip zero. Tomatoe tomato same fruit diferent name.

I really tried to stay out of this discussion for a whole host of reasons. With about 20 hours a week working on fish related issues and lots lately around these rainbows I’ll drop a few things to this conversation There are several dozen peer reviewed documents that discuss retention vs. reproduction out there so I I’ll try to not make this a 300 page topic just some bullet points THE LAKE The only factual thing that I agree with Mr Robinson is that the lake did reset its self. In the 80's the lake's nutrient load was much higher than today, those that remember can talk about Pea Soup and lack of clarity, what that allowed was a massive food web to form from algae to zooplankton to the fish we all catch. This allowed the MNR in its lack of knowledge to stock the lake to what it felt recreational anglers wanted in a put delay and take fishery, with minimal account for natural reproduction. What we had was this massive fishery dependent on hatchery stock, anglers happy MNR happy and here we go. Invasive creatures come and take clarity from a foot in some cases to 30 feet in some instances now. That reset the food web to a degree that massive stocking could and cannot be supported by Lake Ontario, as they will most certainly eat them elves out of house and home the lake’s food web would crash and what happened on Georgian bay with the Chinook crash would happen here, leaving lake Ontario a very empty piece of water. While I don’t always agree with MNR managers caution made sense here, and we can all play a blame game but the truth is stocking decreased for fear we would see a collapsed fishery due to a toppling of the predator pray balance, my understanding is we have come close a few times. What has happened from then to now is the MNR has changed how they believe this salmonid fishery should be, one that’s driven by natural reproduction via a sustainable fishery, landing on such MNR doctrine’s such as SPOF 2, Ontario’s biodiversity strategy, right down to local FMZ’s and watershed management plans. They attempt when possible to make decisions on a matrix that believe it or not isn’t driven by Angler’s and their wants and needs but rather provincial mandates such as Native rights and beyond, in fact recreational fishing I believe ranks third on their management hierarchy. As new science comes available, and our province starts to see how our partners in most of these waters work Canada is generally last to react, health care pension’s schools all take the money; I think MNR is less than 1% of the entire provincials budget and shrinking daily and I suspect is about to get another big gutting in the next provincial budget. NOW What we have today is an MNR that is so under capacity they can’t buy shoe laces let alone fund multi thousand studies to determine what is sustainable. How our fishery reacts to climate change, angling pressure, environmental factors such as development affecting habitat and more. For the most part MNR has now become a permit review agency with little to no real ability to do on the ground assessment and or habitat work. They are generally left with small snap shots of watersheds that as a rule had under designed studies, lack of funding, poor timing windows on studies, Massive data gaps modeling software that is decades old or not constructed properly to act as an assessment tool, I could go on forever on this but the end result is that there is not enough clear data to make proper assessment decisions in the MNR today, so MNR airs on the side of caution constantly. Bottom line here is this, outside jurisdiction science has shown that the bullet number to achieve a sustainable fish population such as rainbows is around 30% retention, regardless if its harvest natural, mortality predation or anything in between. Without a concrete study being undertaken by MNR (which we see they can’t afford) there is no real way to determine true harvest and the vast majority of things that come from MNR speculative at best. What we do know with some certainty that at 5 fish in the river environment harvest was a massive concern and did not provide a sustainable fishery, MNR has admitted that. Creel surveys done by CRAA as part of our management of the Port Credit Boat launch during the GOSD we have been able to see harvest in the 90% range, very far from the 33% number. Does a 2 fish retention create a sustainable fishery, I don’t think so personally but it’s a step in the right direction, we know from many of the literature that a 1 fish with a slot would most certainly lead to a sustainable fishery ( of note the US has a 1 fish with a slot on rainbows) . The other bottle neck here is that Ontario still continues with this archaic two system license, and with a 1 fish slot limit on rainbows, conservation licenses would be told a 0 retention applies, negating their right to harvest. MNR understands in many cases there needs to be change; the lake has the best manager I have seen …well…ever, so I think it’s all going to the right direction. So how do we as anglers help create sustainable fisheries when the MNR lacks the ability to do so, simply by letting them swim back that are how because every one sent back to swim is one more we can catch. Harvesting from a put and delay system doesn’t justify anything as fish roam and live in the same body of water. CRAA had a fish we tagged it spawned and returned to an eastern tributary in a few weeks. Tagged fish that were transferred to spawn in the Credit and were caught off ollcott 2 weeks later. While rainbows are slightly less plastic then other trout species they still drift from watershed to watershed, and a fish caught in Burt Dam might have its origins in the head waters of the Wilmot as a two year repeat spawner and suddenly found the concrete wall at the Burt go figure. OFAH I think I could write a book here on the group, sadly many have said the points already. What is most amusing is their involvement in the Atlantic Salmon Restoration Program run by the MNR where they are a lead partner. CRAA has a current scientific proposal with the MNR to allow all native, naturalized and desired fish species above Norval to study a competitive interaction; simply put we feel it’s a prudent piece to the eco system of the Credit to see how multi species interact with one another while allowing native fish species caught below dams access to their historical water,it sits as a five year study at this point. This would include full access to the Atlantic which is having dismal success primarily due to the lack of access to spawning habitat, yet they don’t support a that proposal would give the Atlantic exactly what it needs access to habitat, they’re not supporting such a proposal says they don’t wish even Native fish species to have access to historical water, in effect stop them at a dam and that’s it. . If an Organization can’t support a program to allow a fish such as the Atlantic or other native fish species to naturally reproduce in the wild, the Atlantic salmon, the very same fish they have spent millions of dollars to re-introduce, then that begs the question what does OFAH really stand for…..? As a conservationist I get very frustrated at the stop still in their tracks methodology of the MNR. We see something that makes sense and want to run with it, we find the science, find the money in many cases and are stopped dead in the tracks of progress even when we cite MNR’s own policy pieces a brick wall comes up, due to this lack of capacity, very frustrating and I ll put some money that in the not so distant future someone will litigate the province and MNR over this very same lack of capacity. MNR has a responsibility to us all and with their lack of capacity these days we are lucky they even exist. We also need to be very clear on banning bait or angling methods, fishing is a shrinking market and if we ban angling methods, tactics, or bait options we exclude potential new anglers further adding to the declining community.

sorry but its a good decision. Assessment doesnt need to be done on a yearly basis to determine fish population status, in particular where there is a counter to assess fish movement. There is enough background data and certainly enough habitat and juvinile recruitment work done by the local conservation authority to see if there is a problem quickly enough Personally the LOMU and the MNR have got lake Ontario dialed in pretty darn good to such a degree that other jurisdictions could take a page from them. There are lots of other things the lake needs beyond this,and im hoping the funds get diverted there, in fact Im sure they will once budgets are approved I understand there was a huge volenteer componant here, Im sure that other watersheds like coburg could use the help lifting fish there.

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On the CRAA front page there is a proposal we have given to MNR to study for 5 years te competative interaction of migratory vs resident fish poplations. part of our outreach is to inform anglers of what and where the club is heading and to inform in as many ways possible membership and friends of the club Have a read ww.craa.on.ca its titled CRAA - CRFMP - Open Access Proposal if you wish to share a private comment please email [email protected] thanks milo

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Hi usually don't post alot of fish pictures but as of late I have found a new vigor for taking them. Just an amateur but enjoy the shots A MORNING SHOT A SHOT OF THE SWIM AWAY ANOTHER RELEASE SHOT A GIN CLEAR RIVER SHOT A BANKED FALL FISH THANKS

When we had an issue on the credit a few years back, all fish passage, movement and collection was stopped If it is concenred here is a fact shet on bait movement http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@letsfish/documents/document/mnr_e001351.pdf it is listed to efect Walleye, Yellow Perch, Muskellunge, Smallmouth Bass, Rock Bass, Chinook Salmon, White Bass, Black Crappie, Freshwater Drum, Round Goby, Gizzard Shad, Emerald Shiners, Bluntnose Minnows and Spottail Shiners, so if it is confirmed there is a serious problem now in simcoe add gobies to the mix and lady simcoe is in some trouble

All retailers of egg products in the province have to have proof of purchase for the product in thier store from a vendor, usually a fish farm locally or south of the border, it also must be cured in some respect