Ugh, BB we really gotta stop agreeing with each other, we might become BFF's!!! One of the softest shooting 12 gauges ever made if it's setup properly. My oldman has a Auto-5 dated in the 50's (It was a European market gun, so no scroll work on the receiver).. I was just given a Auto-5 that dates to the early 40's... It will be buried with me, lol.