Brian, your a better man than me.I dont tie anything smaller than a 16.Hands are too clumsy and eyes dont work so good any more! Some recent ties,from left.olive scud,greenrockworm,quill abdomen wet fly,nd a WD 40! Hey,have u tried a furled leader? They are awsome! Built myself a jig and been making some! Hers one with indicator butt section.U gotta try them!