Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 So, our PM recently told the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh that our country has no history of colonialism. I can't believe our PM would have the gall to make such a ludicrous and arrogant (not to mention entirely inaccurate) statement. How exactly do we, one of the greatest countries in the free world, have a man who will misrepresent history and insult the intelligence of the global community so badly. And this a year after apologizing for all those NON-COLONIAL residential schools that scar the recent memory. This isn't too far off that nutjob in Iran denying the holocaust! I mean, the colonizing of North America was a physical and cultural genocide! Sorry for my rant, I just can't believe our leader just embarrassed us in front of the global community like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushart Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I hear ya doc.... But just like the onset of an election...the Conservative Mothership will send out the signal to its followers to jump all over this one...good luck Bushart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 this shouldn't have to do with being a conservative. admittedly i am not a supporter, but my conservative friends know what colonialism means. i would hope pride in our country comes before pride of a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 No offense meant Doc, but shouldn't you be holed up somewhere with your lovely bride, discussing your own colonialism? I know I would! LOL HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Someone should send our PM an instruction booklet, let's see..........Page 1: Insert foot here (huge mouth).............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 No offense meant Doc, but shouldn't you be holed up somewhere with your lovely bride, discussing your own colonialism? I know I would! LOLHH You raise a good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambo Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 you're looking at a completely different issue. Canada herself has been a 'colony' up until recent decades. We have never had formal 'colonies', we have been the colony. The PM is not denying history, just abiding by the classical definition of colonialism. Canada does have plenty of skeletons in the closet, the one you mention being arguably the most dispicable Tambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 you're looking at a completely different issue. Canada herself has been a 'colony' up until recent decades. We have never had formal 'colonies', we have been the colony. The PM is not denying history, just abiding by the classical definition of colonialism. Canada does have plenty of skeletons in the closet, the one you mention being arguably the most dispicable Tambo Good catch. JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Good catch. JF if only semantics were a sport, you'd be a star player! you can't say we have no history of colonialism if it was part of forming our "colony". trying to be "slick" and suggesting that our colonialism wasn't canada, but was in fact the brits or the french is just plain silly. the Indian act itself was a colonial legistlation passed by Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 if only semantics were a sport, you'd be a star player! you can't say we have no history of colonialism if it was part of forming our "colony". trying to be "slick" and suggesting that our colonialism wasn't canada, but was in fact the brits or the french is just plain silly. the Indian act itself was a colonial legistlation passed by Canada. But isn't the point what Mr. Harper meant? Perhaps what he's really guilty of is not saying things clearly enuf for everyone to understand. JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 no. he's guilty of suggesting that we have no history of colonialism, when our nation was founded in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twocoda Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 dude gets married and now he wants to complain about the government ( all growed up now!)....lol....doc wait until your 50 ish for this crap ....call room service and rest up for the next round ... cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 doc wait until your 50 ish for this crap ....call room service and rest up for the next round ... cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 i'm married now. i thought i was supposed to beg for it now? hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish1965 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Well, if he means we have no history of colonizing OTHER countries, yes that is true. But we did colonialize Canada..but it wasn't Canada then..soooo... I guess he is technically right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Well, if he means we have no history of colonizing OTHER countries, yes that is true. But we did colonialize Canada..but it wasn't Canada then..soooo... I guess he is technically right. Strictly speaking the Brits and the French colonized what became Canada. Canada hasn't colonized anything since it came into being. Ergo no history of colonialization. However, I looked up the word in an online dictionary and got this - co⋅lo⋅ni⋅al⋅i⋅za⋅tion /kəˌloʊniələˈzeɪʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuh-loh-nee-uh-luh-zey-shuhn] Show IPA –noun 1. the act of bringing into subjection or subjugation by colonializing. Now, if it had stopped right there I'd have to say Mr. Harper was treated unfairly here. However, it went on to say this - 2. the state or fact of being colonialized. Here is where a semanticist could have a little fun. I'm not saying I agree with this part of the definition (based on my own understanding of the word) but arguably at first glance the second line makes Mr.Harper a liar. JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnF Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Here's one that says it better - colonialism - Definition [kə-lṓnē-ə-lĭźəm] (n.) A policy by which a nation maintains or extends its control over foreign dependencies. Dictionary.com · The American Heritage® Dictionary This is I believe what Mr.Harper was talking about. Of course one would need to see the context to be sure. JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambo Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 steven harper fishes with marshmellows at bronte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 what about the indian act? colonialism at it's finest, and it is our legistlation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) p.s. I attempted to colonize the wife, leading to the great revolution of Kitchener Rd, 2009. Edited September 30, 2009 by Dr. Salvelinus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambo Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 subjugation........and canada has done this to its own citizens - during both wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 MY WIFE JUST SUBJUGATED ME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish1965 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 MY WIFE JUST SUBJUGATED ME!!!! It's only just begun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Remember to whom the remark was addressed - the members of the G20, many of whom DO have a history of colonialism, so I doubt whether there are any semantic qualms involved in how they understood it. This is a non-issue, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdfast Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 So, our PM recently told the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh that our country has no history of colonialism. I can't believe our PM would have the gall to make such a ludicrous and arrogant (not to mention entirely inaccurate) statement. How exactly do we, one of the greatest countries in the free world, have a man who will misrepresent history and insult the intelligence of the global community so badly. And this a year after apologizing for all those NON-COLONIAL residential schools that scar the recent memory. This isn't too far off that nutjob in Iran denying the holocaust! I mean, the colonizing of North America was a physical and cultural genocide!Sorry for my rant, I just can't believe our leader just embarrassed us in front of the global community like that. Doc why dont you direct your Attention and Rant to the Battlefields Commission Andrea Jeaneau spinelessly backing down to a few Sovereigntists from having the Plains of Abraham Re-enacted on its Birthday. If this keeps up, well never even know what our roots and history is. There are some people that actually want to change or hide our History. Its Happening and obviously working. By the way, I think Harpo is doing a great job considering half of his Bills are being blocked. Just my opinion. At least you listen to some of the news. Not all CBC I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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