After Dad lost about a 4 lber, he caught 3 to My None, but then I crept back to a 5 to 4 lead, not that anyone was keeping track, accept him. Dad got the biggest just over 20" nice way to end the season, one of the better day's he had this fall, water was 42.5 degrees, caught on tubes again in 7.5' to 10' of water, fished from 12:30 til 4:30pm