SRT8 smoker craft Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Like the title says a local non-profit service group was repainting the gazebo that they fundraised the $$$ to build which is a very nice addition to the pond/lake but they were painting with a sprayer on a fairly windy day and a lot of paint was going into the water which they were doing nothing to control untill they were confronted by myself and another angler then they tried to push all the floating paint and solvents over to the out flow(by tying a pontoon boat on shore and reving the outboard) of the pond which dumps into a small stream that empties into a fairly large Lake erie trib.Now I have already called the M.O.E hotline and reported it but I don't think anything was done should I persue this further I took lots of pics and some video .I guess I kinda feel bad because they do a lot of good projects but this was totally a self promoting and selfish (They had big signs saying they were the group painting it )all they cared about was making their gazebo look good again and they defended there actions when confronted and told me they were cleaning it up (by pushing it to the outflow ) the damage they did in one afternoon to the shoreline around the gazebo and where they tied up the pontoon boat is just brutal and is were most of the predators bass,pike and turtles hunt their prey I just can't wrap my head around how they thought what they were doing was OK anyways here's a couple pics of what I saw at my favorite little lake to fish . their precious gazebo kinda bad pic but you can see the paint floating around infront of the pontoon boat the slick of paint the outflow headed straight for lake Erie hard to see in the pic but the water had a light grey stain to it and the oil in water like shimmer on top from the paint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitbyboatguy Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 They knew they were doing bad because they used the pontoon boat to "stop" the bad. I can't see how it is reasonable for them to think that the pontoon boat was an acceptable solution. They must have thought you were stupid. They certainly did not think they had to take you seriously. Did they have a permit to paint it? The city/region might be able to do something about it too (fine?). What "that" is I don't know. Can the damage be undone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT8 smoker craft Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 They knew they were doing bad because they used the pontoon boat to "stop" the bad. I can't see how it is reasonable for them to think that the pontoon boat was an acceptable solution. They must have thought you were stupid. They certainly did not think they had to take you seriously. Did they have a permit to paint it? The city/region might be able to do something about it too (fine?). What "that" is I don't know. Can the damage be undone? They didn't even know there was a stream flowing out of the lake I asked if they had a permit and the guys umed and ahed for a minute and then said yep we do I would think this would be considered "on water work" and would need MNR approval and a permit to use dangerous chemicals (varsol) around the water like that I will be keeping a close eye on it and see what the M.O.E has to say monday until then I hope this doesn't cause a fish kill off from the contaminants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workwear Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 do you know if they were using oil or latex.....if it was latex....no need to worry too much...todays latex paints are pretty safe....if they were using oil based....then id worry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT8 smoker craft Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Can't say for sure but the 5 gallon cans had a flammable sign on it and they were thinning it with varsol to get it through there sprayer but from the look of it in the water I'm pretty sure it was oil based . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workwear Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) oil paint is lethal!!!..im surprised they even found a 5 gallon pail of it...are you sure it was a metal can....the gov't is banning all oil paints as we know it....they do still have a little left for special purposes but most manufactures arnte even makin it anymore... Edited September 18, 2011 by workwear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT8 smoker craft Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Yeah it was definately in a metal can with a huge WHIMIS label on the side I took pics with my phone but don't have it on the comp yet gonna post in a min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT8 smoker craft Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Here's the can they were using paint out of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmilley Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 from my understanding of e-laws unless it's a spill of a 100 litre's or more it doesn't need to be reported, still they should have watched what they were doing even if it was a volunteer group out to help the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitbyboatguy Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 The local paper might be able to take this and make something that raises awareness of pollutants around the home. For example I did not know oil based paint was banned. A little shame on those willful polluters and fine may follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb4me Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) Oil based paint isn't banned...you can still buy it at Lowes and home depot. You are right that was oil based they used. I can tell just by looking at the cans. I The company volunteered their time so they just rushed with what appears to be a solid (oil based)stain. Not to much that can be done about it now thou. I cant belive they stained or painted with a sprayer..Thats just nuts.. Edited September 18, 2011 by tb4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofish4me Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) .......for several types of material spills, etc., the "Solution is Dilution". Hahaha It is what it is, done now. I personally feel that once you brought it to their attention, they started to deal with it. Short of thousands of dollars worth of 'Oil Only' absorbing pads and socks, they used the Dilution Solution. They'll think before the next time. edited for spelling Edited September 18, 2011 by nofish4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Missed this one.... Here's a "simplified" reporting guide. http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@ene/@resources/documents/resource/std01_079165.pdf You were right to call the MOE-Spills Action Center and they will investigate, to a certain extent. Did they give you a Reference #? call them back, quote the ref# and get a follow-up. Ask them which Officer from which office was assigned to this job and you can contact his/her office and send the photos. The 100L exemption is for reporting motor vehicle spill only and the laws then default to the highway control act. The exemption only exists if the spill doesnt enter a waterway and is cleaned up immediately. Otherwise the owner of the spill or the user of the spill must report it In this situation the service group have caused contamination "beyond the normal course of events and it causes or is likely to cause an adverse effect". They are legally obliged to report the spill and contain it immediately among other things. At the very least this service group will get a scare and hopefully learn to use their equipment/products properly and to mitigate any overspray. It's a silly mistake on their part, sounds innocent to me, but is ignorant none-the-less. They should have not done it in the first place. Good on you for doing something about it... people need to be educated on their work habits and know that they can be held liable for damages. Edited September 20, 2011 by Rod Caster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheaptackle Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Wondered when you were gonna chip in on this one Chad - I was curious myself about the legalities. Great presentation of the facts my friend! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Wondered when you were gonna chip in on this one Chad - I was curious myself about the legalities. Great presentation of the facts my friend! Michael Thanks Mike. Even though there are legalities for pretty much every spill you can think of, the real problem is the lack of reporting, lack of proper response by the spiller and The Ministry's inaction (lack of resources maybe) when it comes to placing clean-up orders. I still see many situations where the police and fire dept will not report a road spill and even lie about it ever happening to the media (paperwork? more important things?), even though it is often times their responsibility as first responders. In my opinion they SHOULD call in the spills because the officers often get "Paid Duty" job$ during road side clean-ups... it's really in their interest...beyond the fact that they are legally compelled to do it. Insurance companies or the polluter will often try the same thing because they can get away with it and the MOE is either completely unaware or don't bother sending a clean-up order. Some time the MOE catches them...but not always. The public (like the OP) actually have a lot of power in spill situations because they can be the "eyes and ears" for the MOE by calling the Spills Action Center and giving as much information as possible to the responding agent. 1800-268-6060. If you tell the MOE who spilled something, when, where and with photos, especially if it's big...you can bet that person/company will get a suprise visit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT8 smoker craft Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks for the info RC. I have a appointment with the local newspaper this afternoon and I am going to suggest they run the story as a enviromental awareness peice rather than rather than bashing the service group. their intentions were innocent, they just wanted to paint their gazebo. unfortunately they didn't consider the damage they were doing until it was brought to there attention. they did make an atempt to clean it even if it was to little to late. thanks for all the responces. I would love to see them get a eye opener but I don't think the MOE did anything so mabye the newspaper article will make them think twice next time they do something with paint and chemicals near water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdve23rveavwa Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Good work Shawn. If that's where I think it is, they have a kid's derby or two every year. Many people just don't think when it comes to our waterways. It's good that they do quite a few projects for the community, and, that they are a not for profit group. However, even as just an environmental "heads up story" for public awareness, you are doing a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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