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Potable water is something to be concerned about for sure but it is not the bottled water plant that is an issue. It is an agenda that is being touted as a grave issue that it really isn't. The cost to desalination a gallon of water is 28 cents on a commercial scale and that includes equipment cost and overhead. The bottle water is just a drop in the bucket when you think about a flush of a toilet (water saver) is 6 bottles of water each time you push the lever. A faucet running is for 1 minute is 10 bottles and a shower can be as high as 20 bottles a minute. (1 bottle equals a liter)These are items that we actually waste water meaning it is not being drunk to keep ourselves alive. Now nature has it's own way to purify water and if it is allowed to do so then the rain water will return to the earth uncontaminated and be reused. When we pollute the basins that the water returns to (think mining run off and chemical on golf courses) the water returns to a contaminated basin. This is the where the water becomes an issue. This is no longer free water that can be drunk. This is water that has to be treated over and over to make it drinkable. This is one of the reason desalination is not a good answer. To go after Nestle is not solving the issue some say it is a start but if you want to see a result you go after the big perpetrator not the little ones. Curing 5% of the offenders will leave 95% still active. It is like saying I want to lose weight so I will no longer eat lobster instead of cutting out bread. Nestle is doing nothing wrong they are taking water to be drunk same as tap water and selling it to the public just like your local municipalities. The cost of delivery, the profit of industry and the convenience is why we pay more for bottles water. John you are correct the parent company is in Switzerland I am used to dealing with the US branch and it's operating structure my bad. Art

I am a consultant to companies on water treatment and water purification. From returning black water back to drinking water as well as bring mass amounts of gray water back to the environment. There is no scientific bases for the water shortage scare being used by assorted companies misleading agendas. This being said it is a precious resource and needs to be honored. The only issue is as water becomes contaminated it will become more expensive to bring back to the level that we have been getting for free. Now the bottled water removed is not adding to the increased cost of having clean water. The removal of excessive water from a source will drop the water table temporarily but will replenish when the demand drops below the supply. Very rarely will the water fractors close and remain permanently dry but yes it is possible. Now the real issue is when you have to clean up the water from chemicals and even silt both byproducts of mining and golf courses. The process of removing silt is filtration which is a cost in itself. The chemicals both organic and inorganic are much more costly to remove. To return a gallon of water flushed down the toilet to water fit for drinking is $1.85 using the Thedford system. That process is micron filtration, Carbon extraction and an ozone injection system. While it is drinkable, to do so requires extremely high monitoring so we reuse it as gray water to be reflushed in the toilet systems. Watch the industries they are the people who are damaging the water purity. Art

CountryTotal Water Resources of potable water Average Precipitation 1Brazil 8233.0 km3/yr15,236 km3/yr 2Russia 4508.0 km3/yr7,855 km3/yr 3United States 3069.0 km3/yr7,030 km3/yr 4Canada 2902.0 km3/yr5,352 km3/yr 5China 2738.8 km3/yr5,995 km3/yr Contrary to popular belief the US has lots of drinking water. It is not as localized in some areas but it is readily available. There is not a market or ad campaign that I know of that makes Canadian water seem better than domestic water. One of the best selling water made by the Coke Cola company is distilled water with minerals added with the advantage of no matter where it is bottled it will taste the same. A key ingredient in Mcdonalds coffee sales (coke product outlet)which is the same taste across the nation. Art

The elephant in the room which we all see but will not say is that Nestles is an American company and the price paid for the water seems to be to cheap. The US based company bottles the water in Canada for Canada for the most part saves on trucking costs import fees and taxes. The less they pay for water the cheaper the end product is. Now double the purchase price of the raw water and the end product will be less desirable due to the cost point of business. Now Nestles will be branded as gouging and ripping off Canadians. If the end product remains in Canada then you get money from the water sale and also the taxes and 2nd person sales profit. It is money staying in Canada as well as money from Nestles. Now look at the other major consumers of water with the detrimental byproduct that are returning to the environment that have to be either cleaned up or left to damage the water and land. Look at mining damage as well as nitrate poisoning from golf courses. Look at the agenda before you decide to take it up if you don't see the logic you do not have all of the facts. Art

I am sure it is I have been Up North in Canada and recycle is unheard of at the many small dumps. I have been bear watching in a sea of plastic and other things that could have been recycled if there was money in it somehow. It is not a nation thing it is a human thing pigs have no borders. Art

Actually the US has a very aggressive recycle program. You must sort your trash into garbage, paper, plastic and the trash companies take it and dump/ recycle. If you hand carry to the dump again you must sort it out. We also have deposits on bottles and cans depending on where you live. We still have room to improve and it is slowly heading towards being greener here. The bulk of the metals are also turned in for scrap and with the prices high and many locations it has become for some a way to make a living. Art

The dirty little secret of the golf courses is two fold not only the use of the water but the chemicals washed into the watershed causing algae blooms and oxygen deprivation or dead zones. Art

I agree lets go get them ALL though. I personally do not use bottled water unless it is to replace the bottle I have been refilling. The legitimate use for bottled water is in disaster situations when the potable water is questionable.The tax on water based products goes into the tax base but is not earmarked for water conservation. I won't even get into mining and the contaminants and high volume of water used that kill miles of rivers because they are "overlooked" as long as they provide jobs and political financial enhancements. Art

So the mining companies and the golf courses that take a larger amount of water is o.k.? If you want to save the water make sure it is all of the abusers not the ones selected for you by the people who have agendas. Art

While it sounds like a good idea. Some of the mark up is to cover shipping, bad parts, wrong parts and other liabilities. You also will have the customer that is sure the part is the reason his lawnmower blew up. Sounds like a headache with little return. If you do do it 20% off is fair to both people involved. If they are a close friend then decide if you want to go deeper into your discount but keep that private. Art

http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82926 Please read this link. Thank you Art

Anti inflammatory Aspirin to shrink swelling and fluids to thin the mucus if present. Art

I'll start it. It is the government dispersing brain controlling drugs to keep people peaceful. Art

Yup time for a meeting after reading this thread and others like it recently it is apparent that people have taken liberties that just are not making this site a place for everyone to be comfortable at. Art

Welcome and thanks for the info we hope you enjoy it here. Art

We used blousing straps the same way you are using sponge cord in the SeaBees. Google them you will find they work well and are inexpensive. Art

Is this really what you want to discuss on a fishing thread? It reads like a pack of trolls talking about something that you have no say in. I am really close to locking all political threads since they seem to bring out the worst in people on this forum. Here is fair warning 2 people on this thread are going to be on modQ if they continue trolling members and fanning the flames of debate. Hopefully this is all I need to say Be CIVIL post FACTS not dribble from the internet and agree to disagree before typing an insult. Art

bug suit pants wold work and not get you laughed at like pantyhoses will. Art

NEVER TRUST A FUSE lol they can blow and still look good. They are the first line of defence in a short so they are the first place to look. Glad it was easy. Art

Take jumper cables and go to positive pole with positive clamp. on starter and negative to ground against casing of starter motor If it spins then it is not getting the signal to the solenoid. Recheck fuses with new fuses no click means no signal in most cases. Check solenoid for loose wire, Test for voltage at solenoid post. From here it gets to complicated to stumble thru. Wish you lived closer. Art

Way cool thanks for the report. Art

chrome seems to be just fine with 10 art

If pete would call me the next time he is in my neck of the woods I could use some of his good luck. It has been a tough year on the Blue Cats. Art

Lets all go fishing these threads are getting out of hand. I am tired of people snipping at each other. If we can't all learn to discuss and debate without getting into each others faces than the political threads have a dim future. While no names are mentioned you know who you are. If you have a doubt feel free to P.M. me and we can discuss it. Thanks enjoy the fishing this summer Art

Well if it is a revolver you got a chance if it is a handgun then one bullet will kill you. lol Art