kickingfrog

I like the look of those but I'm still having a hard time warming up to the split grip thing.

Nice photo Mike. Link has been changed at source. See further down for the photo. http://www.muskiescanada.ca/members/files/pdf/Sep_Oct_2012_RJ_Web.pdf

Right up until the time you caught them.

Conservation Officer: "No, sir. I believe you. Please stay in the water."

I was on one line's web site and it mentioned the importance of wetting the line before finishing knots (not new to most) but also mentioned using chapstik as an option. Personally I don't think I'm likely to do that on the water but I'll definitely do that the next time I'm pre-tying leaders at home.

Someone's gotta use the bocca on those monsters.

Blue Jays expected to announce deal with Buffalo Bisons for AAA team. In all seriousness the Bisons have a great history and play in a beautiful ballpark and I think this is good for the Jays. http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/morning_roundup/2012/09/bisons-blue-jays-agree-on-affilation.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/analysis-the-most-unnecessary-lockout-of-them-all/article4548860/ "The NHL owners really aren't that stupid. They're just not afraid of the fans. They don't even respect them. In their eyes, the fans are simply ATMs with arms and legs. They came back last time, the owners believe, and they'll come back this time, once we've rooted through the players' pockets for every nickel." Analysis: The most unnecessary lockout of them all DAVID SHOALTS The Globe and Mail Published Monday, Sep. 17 2012, 9:11 AM EDT Last updated Monday, Sep. 17 2012, 10:57 AM EDT Now that Gary Bettman and the NHL owners marked their irrelevant deadline by locking out the players on Saturday, all eyes turn to the next step. Well, the league already took the next step with that ridiculous statement it issued following the lockout but more on that in a minute. The really big next step, one that actually produces progress, is going to take some time. After all, the great deadline of Sept. 15 declared by the NHL commissioner only marked the expiry of the collective agreement, not the start of the season or even the start of training camps. No one in this mess will be inclined to get serious about labour negotiations until pay cheques and gate receipts are missed, which is almost four weeks away. There is no reason for NHL Players' Association executive director Donald Fehr and the players to do anything right now. They know they have the moral high ground and are, for a change, winning the public relations battle. And the league is doing nothing except shooting itself in both feet right now with Sunday's statement as Exhibit A. First of all, the NHL seems to be the only business in the world that thinks the expiry of a labour agreement means business must cease. This is the fourth time since 1992 the league ceased operations due to a labour dispute and it is the third time the owners locked out the players, all three of them coming on Gary Bettman's watch. Where every other business carries on operations while a new labour agreement is being negotiated, with both labour and management rightly regarding a strike or lockout as the absolute last resort, Bettman and his chief labour strategist, outside counsel Bob Batterman, rush to lock the doors. As Ansar Khan of MichiganLive.com noted, the NHL has now lost 1,698 regular-season games due to labour disputes since 1992. That is more than Major League Baseball (938), the NBA (504) and the NFL (0) combined. This is the most unnecessary lockout of them all. It is not about fighting for a new way of doing business like the last one. It is merely about how to slice up a billion-dollar pie. Funny thing, though. You might think with all that practice Bettman and the owners would be a little smoother at trying to pull the wool over the fans' eyes. It was bad enough they spent the months leading up to the lockout bragging about record revenues in the seven years since the last lockout that saw the NHL grow from a $2.1-billion (all currency U.S.) business to a $3.3-billion one only to plead poverty a few days later. Not only that, one of the guys at the table demanding the players take a 24-per-cent pay cut because the salary cap system they demanded and won after an entire season was lost in 2004-05 is now not working, Minnesota Wild owner Craig Leipold, was fresh from signing two good but not great players to 13-year contracts worth $98-million each. No, only these guys could compound that with the statement the league issued Sunday after it locked out the players: "This is a time of year for all attention to be focused on the ice, not on a meeting room. The league, the clubs and the players all have a stake in resolving our bargaining issues appropriately and getting the puck dropped as soon as possible. We owe it to each other, to the game and, most of all, to the fans." Yes, that really was issued by the NHL public-relations department. It did not come from The Onion or any other satirical outlet. No, the NHL owners really aren't that stupid. They're just not afraid of the fans. They don't even respect them. In their eyes, the fans are simply ATMs with arms and legs. They came back last time, the owners believe, and they'll come back this time, once we've rooted through the players' pockets for every nickel.

Lets say bettmen gets what he asked for. How does it address any of the actual problems some teams have?

I really like Glidin' Raps and saltwater x-raps for walleye and pike. The glidin' rap is nice because for a good sized bait it doesn't pull too hard.

Done it.

Nice logperch.

Different strokes and different conditions/situations.

Floruo mainline is a compromise. It's limper so it doesn't coil as bad. I never use it. Leader floruo is stiffer, and more expensive.

You and Jedi could pool your fish and have a grand diner.

It's not the fish that it matters to, it's your line and line guides. On a baitcasting outfit where I'm not nearly as concerned about line twist it is almost always line to line (if I bother using a floruo leader). On a spinning set-up if there is a possibility of line twist I'll use a small float swivel and even then I hate to reel it through the tiptop, but invariably do.

Don't know how I missed this. Something to read. My wife just gave me the look cause I was going to take the laptop upstairs.

In a system the owners claim does not work and must be fixed, again, this is what they have done when they didn't have to do a thing and if they get the deal they, or the players, proposed they would save more money. The league’s 30 teams have handed out contracts worth $1.67 billion to 179 players since July 1, 2012.

There are few, if any, similarities between other unions and professional athlete associations/unions.

So you can catch something other then bass and colds? Nice fishes. Thursday morning the bay was flat calm as well… I noticed on my way to work.

Geeze Lew you were small back then too. How deep is that boat?

This would be one of the multibillionaire owners looking for a bigger handout from the taxpayer's pocket for a new arena to host his hobby-toy, I mean hockey team. These teams are spare time, spare money operations for the most part. Nobody forced anyone to buy-in. Nobody forced them to sign the big contracts. For the most part you can swap out the name of the owner/city and repeat this in most of the papers in that have nhl teams that have or are looking for new arenas. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-city-council-rejects-oilers-bid-for-more-taxpayer-dollars-for-arena/article4540405/ Edmonton city council rejects Oilers bid for more taxpayer dollars for arena DEAN BENNETT EDMONTON — The Canadian Press Published Wednesday, Sep. 12 2012, 3:36 PM EDT Last updated Wednesday, Sep. 12 2012, 6:10 PM EDT A new downtown arena for the Edmonton Oilers hit the ditch Wednesday as city councillors rejected a bid by the NHL team for more money from taxpayers. Mayor Stephen Mandel would not say how much was asked for, or what is was for, but said the ball is now in the court of the team’s owner, pharmacy billionaire Daryl Katz. “Optimistic might not be the best word,” Mandel said. “Frustrated might be a better word. But I’m optimistic in the sense (we can) get back together and see how we can make this work.” Construction on the $450-million arena is slated to begin early next year. Mandel said the request from the Katz Group did not come with an ultimatum, although Katz has said the Oilers won’t play indefinitely at their current home of Rexall Place in Edmonton’s north end. The Katz Group, responding to council’s decision through a prepared statement, said it has become clear during the design and engineering process that the $450-million cap won’t be enough to build the “iconic” structure that both the city and the Oilers want. John Karvellas, executive vice-president of the Katz Group, didn’t say what the revised cost would be, but said the Oilers would pay their fair share for any costs over the $450 million. Karvellas said they have already gone above and beyond expectations by spending $70 million to date. “We have made these investments of time and money in good faith and without regret and continue to believe this project can and must succeed,” he said in the statement. Mandel and the councillors rejected the Katz request Wednesday morning after debating it behind closed doors. Their decision comes almost a year after the Katz Group and the city agreed in principle on a cost-shared deal for the rink, which included a maximum cost of $450 million. Mandel said council voted to keep that original agreement in place. “In my opinion (it’s) a very good deal for all parties to keep sustainable, strong, great NHL hockey here,” said Mandel. Councillor Kim Krushell, a longtime supporter of the project, was asked if council was “blindsided” by the Katz Group request for extra funds. “I would characterize it that I was surprised. That’s about all I will say,” Krushell said. The deal for the new rink has led to sharp and heated debate in the Alberta capital. Proponents say public money for this private venture will lead to economic spinoff benefits, a revitalized downtown core, and a higher international profile. Critics say no public money should go toward a private venture. A third group says it can see a role for public money, but says the deal struck is too lopsided in favour of the Oilers. Under the agreed terms, city taxpayers will put up $125 million to go with $100 million by the Katz Group. A ticket tax ($5-$6 a ticket) would pay for another $125 million. Another $100 million is being sought from the province, although Premier Alison Redford’s government is adamant no tax dollars will go to private ventures. Mandel said that they’re getting closer to solving that problem. “We’ve been working with the province on various programs and we believe they’re getting close to coming up with a solution that would deal with the realities of every town and village and city ... coming up with funds for facilities like the arena project,” he said. Council has already been told that the city’s ultimate contribution will far exceed $125 million. Officials estimate that when borrowing and land purchase costs are factored in, the number becomes $305 million. Another $57 million will be spent for a light-rail transit extension to the rink, a pedestrian corridor and an above-ground walkway over the main avenue in front of the building. A proposed community rink would add another $21 million. The city would also pay Katz $20 million over 10 years to advertise through his team. It’s not clear what form that advertising would take. The base number itself is already rising. In July, councillors were told revised estimates have boosted the original $450-million figure to $485 million, prompting designers to look at ways to cut back on some of the amenities, like some of the concession stands and the Oilers retail store. The Oilers would pay their $100 million in instalments: $5.5 million in annual rent for 35 years, plus interest, for a total of $186 million. The team would pay to operate the building and keep the profits for 11 months out of the year. Katz would retain the naming rights for the building. Comparable estimates put that at $1 million a year. The deal would bind the team to staying in Edmonton for the next 35 years. The proposed rink is a futuristic structure of wavy lines and curves done over in zinc, masonry and glass in the broad shape of an oil drop. There would by 18,400 seats along with clubs and bistros, even a space to hold beach volleyball tournaments, along with underground parking. The city is banking that the arena will be a catalyst for more retail and housing. The rink would replace the aging Rexall Place, which has been the home of the Oilers since their World Hockey Association days of the 1970s. Built in 1974, it’s the second-oldest rink in the NHL. The oldest is the arena where the New York Islanders play. The Oilers are the only NHL team that doesn’t get non-hockey-related revenue from its building.

Gotta light?

The new season started today. Looks like us wannabes might still have a shot.

It is ok to not to want to follow the details of the negotiations, or even being aware of the most basic parts of the two side's positions, but refraining from making comments would then also be a prudent decision.