Electrical wiring

[walleyejack]

Not sure if anyonc can help, but would appreciate it. I have an older house,lots of 2 wire wiring, I am replacing a ceiling fixture with a fan,i took the old fixtre out which has two receptacles in it,there is 3 sets of wires in the box,3 blacks tied together, 1 white hooked into another white,then the 2 whites, I tied the wires in the fan to appropriate colors,and blew the breaker,took 1 white out and no power, same with the other white when i switched, I am not sure what to do now.I put 1 in my kitchen yrs ago and had no problems. Any ideas would be appreciated, there was a green wire in the fan to hook to ground wire, but i don t have a ground wire in box.

Thanks Al

[Roy]

The green ground will go to the frame of the box.

[Terry]

I take it there is a light switch on the wall

in which case the single white would go to the black wire on the fan and the double white wire would go to the white wire on the fan

 

green is ground

Edited August 14, 2010 by Terry

[walleyejack]

ok let me try that Roy. got my cell handy here for fire dpt.

 

Thank you.

[toca]

Ceiling Fans Should Have Three Wires Including Ground. Black, Blue(or Red) and white. Green or Bare is your ground. The Other wire is your support wire that you just loop it to a secure screw or hook depending on the model/make of the fan. Before trying to figure out the wiring open the light switch box like terry mentions to find out whats there

 

1) Find your neutral(white) and tie them together.

 

2) Find your Switch Wire Where It Should Be Just One Black Wire Unless you have multiple lights controlled by one switch.

 

3) "3 sets of wires in the box,3 blacks tied together, 1 white hooked into another white,then the 2 whites"

im going to assume one of your 2 white wires is your control/swtich wire.

[walleyejack]

I tried what Terry mentioned, no luck, the 3 blacks in the box are tied together, one white is tied into another white, then there is the single white and the two tied together, tried Terrys suggestion,got no power to my switch,(swithc ligths up when off) I m pretty much lost. but Thank you for the help

[Terry]

I believe that my answer is correct, if there is a light switch

 

 

the 3 black wires 2 are live the third black wire goes to the switch and comes back to the box as white and that would be the single one the 2 whites together are live.....

so

 

single white would go to the black wire on the fan and the double white wire would go to the white wire on the fan

Edited August 14, 2010 by Terry

[walleyejack]

I tried that Terry, no luck, but thanks

[toca]

Eh Jack.

 

You Didnt happen to take the old light fixture out and some how "forgot" which goes where?

 

Because if there is only one black wire and one white wire in the light switch box then the white wire should have constant power and the black wire is the return power for the light fixture.

 

in your situation you have all three black wires tied together and one white wire going back to neutral always blowing the breaker when you flip the switch aka shorting the circuit.

 

so it really should be two blacks with a white wire tied together(cap it off and never touch it again) then it should be the two white wires which are your neutral and one black wire that should be ur switch/control wire.

 

do you have a volt tester?

[walleyejack]

no volt tester, when i took it apart thats how they were, 3 blacks tied up,1 white into another,then 2 whites left. the old receptacle had two fixtures in it and tied into each other.I didn t change anything.

 

 

 

 

Eh Jack.

 

You Didnt happen to take the old light fixture out and some how "forgot" which goes where?

 

Because if there is only one black wire and one white wire in the light switch box then the white wire should have constant power and the black wire is the return power for the light fixture.

 

in your situation you have all three black wires tied together and one white wire going back to neutral always blowing the breaker when you flip the switch aka shorting the circuit.

 

so it really should be two blacks with a white wire tied together(cap it off and never touch it again) then it should be the two white wires which are your neutral and one black wire that should be ur switch/control wire.

 

do you have a volt tester?

[walleyejack]

there was 1 white wire each going to the wires in the receptacle.

 

 

 

 

no volt tester, when i took it apart thats how they were, 3 blacks tied up,1 white into another,then 2 whites left. the old receptacle had two fixtures in it and tied into each other.I didn t change anything.

[Terry]

but wasn't there a total of 3 white wires

 

2 tied together and one by itself

 

how did you have 2 single wires going to the light fixture??

 

or I am not understanding

[Guest gbfisher]

never mind....lol

Edited August 14, 2010 by gbfisher

[walleyejack]

You are understanding correctly.

2 sockets in the light fixture.2 black and 2 white tied together, then out of the box there was a single white to 1 side of sockets and the dbl white to the other side of the sockets.

you have it correct, but i don't

 

but wasn't there a total of 3 white wires

 

2 tied together and one by itself

 

how did you have 2 single wires going to the light fixture??

 

or I am not understanding

[toca]

can you take a picture of the light receptacle and the light switch?

 

or can you put back your old light fixture and see if it does the same thing?

Edited August 14, 2010 by ReTodd

[walleyejack]

got the pics trying to upload

[Terry]

figure it must look like this

 

 

<a href="http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/Mrbeee1954/?action=view&current=light.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/Mrbeee1954/light.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[walleyejack]

i think that is close. 3 cables coming in.

3 blacks together, 1 white into the other, and a single white,

I m sorry i don t know how to explain it any differently, I hooked the old fixture up and it works fine, and the light switch lights up.

was trying to upload pics,but that wont work for me either, whew sat the 14th bad day.

[Terry]

i think that is close. 3 cables coming in.

3 blacks together, 1 white into the other, and a single white,

I m sorry i don t know how to explain it any differently, I hooked the old fixture up and it works fine, and the light switch lights up.

was trying to upload pics,but that wont work for me either, whew sat the 14th bad day.

 

if you hooked it up the same as the old light fixture then the new fixture is broken..wired wrong inside or burnout/shorted out

Edited August 14, 2010 by Terry

[walleyejack]

maybe, i hooked the whites,blue together and the blacks together.

[Spiel]

Indispensable....

 

http://www.idealindu...tage_tester.jsp

 

I have an older home that for the most part is and has been a wiring nightmare.

Without something like the above tester, for determining what is hot and what is not I never would have been able to replace any fixtures, switches or outlets.

 

I know that's of no help now but if you liking doing your own renos and such it's something you should aquire.

[Guest gbfisher]

maybe, i hooked the whites,blue together and the blacks together.

 

 

Yes...if you are hooking up a fan there certainly can be two hot wires. One for your fan and one for your lights in the fan. They do this so you can control your lights and fan separately with two switches.

Hook the blue with the black in the fan first then add to the circut using Terry's diagram.

Hope this helps.

[Terry]

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photos don't help, but they seem to be as the diagram I drew

so do what gb says and it should work

[walleyejack]

ok thank you very much

 

 

 

 

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photos don't help, but they seem to be as the diagram I drew

so do what gb says and it should work

[walleyejack]

will try it, destructions say white and blue to white and black to black, but will switch em around, nothing to lose i guess

 

 

Thanks Al