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I'm not sure the liberals will be keen to redo conservative legislation. They may just let it ride until their new system is ready.

I appreciate your point of view and willingness to share it, but Hitler's rise is not analogous to the rise of ISIS (in my opinion). The Third Reich was a state actor, with a state army and the support of millions of Germans. Their fervor was nationalistic, and they had significant manufacturing and logistics capabilities, which are needed to support an army. ISIS is a cult, not a state actor. Their "army" is not a threat to any real state armies in the area. They do not have the funds or the economic and industrial bases to support a sustained war effort. They are geographically contained to a small area, with little to no capability to expand their territory, despite the fact that real might and determination has not even been brought to bear on them yet. I just don't see these two situations as comparable.

Imo, you hit the nail on the head. I think the bombs actually spread the idea, not kill it.

Well said Canuck!

Next year? Why wait? I'm on my way up Friday!

This is a great analogy.

Maybe some of you don't know any Muslims. I live in a multicultural city. I know a number of great people who are Muslims. They don't hate me or want to chop my head off. They bring homemade Samosas to the office and we break bread in the lunch room and talk about fishing, the Leafs, or whatever. These people represent mainstream Muslims, NOT ISIS. ISIS is a rag tag group of 50,000 fighters at best. The generous estimate of 250,000 I gave in my previous comment above in this thread includes farmers, women, maybe some children and even goats. They are geographically contained. They have a limited capability to strike out via terror attacks, but beyond that they pose little to no threat to the world. The countries around them that are considered our allies have more than 4 million troops available. ISIS could be wiped out in a matter of weeks or months if there was political will among those countries. That there isn't political will is not due to religion, as Rick pointed out earlier. It is about money and the politics of power. It is about oil sold to Turkey, or arms sold by the USA and Russia to continue these wars. It is about reconstruction contracts. It is about so much more. Because surely if the USA and Russia and Turkey and Egypt (just to name a few) really wanted ISIS gone, they would be gone already. Now for the religion part of it. ISIS are extreme, there is no question. I am horrified by all that they do, and all that they stand for. Make no mistake about that. But they are a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims want nothing to do with head chopping, and want the same thing every human wants (a la Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs). They want equality, opportunity, love, peace and prosperity like anyone else. When we bomb civilian cities in Syria, we are saying by our actions that those lives don't matter. ISIS is telling them the West hates you, they bomb you, they want to kill you. And then we do it and prove them right. We literally ARE the infidel from their point of view, because we are trying to kill them in their land. We give ISIS credence by our actions. No one who pulled their dead child out of the rubble of their apartment is ever going to be on our side again. And I don't blame them for it. Then on the other side, ISIS kills civilians in a terror attack, and we clamor for more bombing. All we are doing is creating cycles of hatred and revenge. This is how Israel and Palestine treat each other, and they are no closer to a solution. I am not saying do nothing. I am saying that bombing is doing the wrong thing.

Thanks guys. My Mom always told me I had a hard head! I know some guys are rolling their eyes at this but I don't really think I'm going to change many minds on here. I do hope I can change one or two, that would be enough to be worth the effort.

The website I order from has all the concentrates. I don't touch wax or shatter, but I get Nepalese or Afghan hash as a treat once in awhile.

Their Wikipedia page is a good start: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation_(website) Seems to be academically oriented (both in terms of editorial content and readership), and as such is perceived as having left leaning tendencies. At any rate I've added this to my reading list for later. Thanks.

I'm glad you're amused.

I'll get off the soap box when I'm good and ready, or when Art makes me, whichever comes first. There's two sides to every discussion, you don't like my side that's fine but I won't be quiet for you.

I didn't know you spoke Arabic, Cliff. You are full of surprises

And I have seen Westboro Baptist members yelling "death to f.a.g.s." but I didn't make the mistake of assuming they represent all Christians. They are a minority, as are ISIL. It seems some people struggle to grasp this simple concept.

Works for me.... I'm happy to let someone else try to reason with you.

No. of ISIL members: 257,900 (1) No. of Muslims in the world: 1,600,000,000 (2) % Of Muslims who are members of ISIL: 0.0001611875% No. of Westboro Baptist Church members: 40 (3) No. of Christians in the world: 2,400,000,000 % of Christians who are members of Westboro Baptist Church: 0.000000016666667% So in both cases, we are taking about less than 1/1000th of 1%. Fringe groups by any definition. Glen, I have yet to see you put forth an argument, backed with facts and sources on this site. Instead all I see is you sitting back and throwing out smug and sarcastic quips and challenging others to do the work but doing none of your own. I won't be wasting my time like this again because I don't believe you have any interest in the answers to the questions you ask.

ISIL are no more representative of mainstream Islam than the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of mainstream Christianity.

Great way to put it!

I'm not necessarily. I just think the previous guy was doing too much damage and had to go. I didn't want to live in the police state he was trying to create.

Those are some pretty fish!

Net adjusted deficit/surplus (2011 dollars) Stephen Harper (2006-2014): $127.45 billion net deficit over his term Jean Chretien (1993-2004): $107.97 billion net deficit over term Brian Mulroney (1984-1992): $464.8 billion net deficit over term Pierre Trudeau (1980-1984): $185.23 billion net deficit over term Joe Clark (1979-1980): $38.6 billion net deficit over term Pierre Trudeau (1968-1979): $72.16 billion net deficit over term (Source: Finance Canada, Statistics Canada, Bank of Canada, Parliament of Canada, IMF as reported at "http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/multimedia/canada-s-deficits-and-surpluses-1963-to-2015-1.3042571") Tell me again how Liberals ruin this country . With free spending while Conservatives are sound fiscal managers? They are all the same. The only difference is they have some people fooled into believing differently.

Where have you been all your life? This is the same as every politician in my lifetime (except perhaps Mike Harris). It's kinda funny that you're acting like only the "other guys" do it - they ALL do the same thing.

Yeah I wore a hoodie, and when I got back in the truck it was soaked with sweat and cold as ice when I leaned on the seat. Definitely need some fleece in there somewhere

Well then I guess I better use those minutes to haul my butt back up on the ice! I never have more than two pops on the ice. I hate to speculate but from the sounds of the story in the other thread I think alcohol may have been a factor. Regardless it's a sad outcome for a day of fishing.

Mine is TC approved. Not to be morbid, but I kinda thought I'd have a half hour or an hour before hypothermia sets in....