Thanks again for all the info!
We did go to Port Burwell Sat. morning, nasty waves all day, lots of boats out at 40' and over but nobody seamed to be cathing anything so we headed back closer to shore and caught lots 8-10" in 15fow but nothing significant around 13" or more.
the worst thing was when we left, at the marina the boat in front of us had easily over 50 of them 13" and bigger, all they told us was they went out west