Thanks every one , i' am going to give this Danforth one last chance before i give up on it , the boat i am fishing out of for now is my 20" cabin cruiser ,it works good . I bought if off lake Ontario where it had been its hole life and figured since it came with it , it must of worked ok , like i've modifide most of the stuff i own to get it to work the way i want , i'll set this thing in on the work bench and see what i can come up with . Lots of things get thrown out every day because not enough thought go's into making them and some times they just need a little bit more to make them right . If i get it to work i'll do the show and tell thing in hopes it helps others , and if it dose'nt , its in the garbage and i'll go try some thing else like you's mention . Thanks again