scuro2

Lots of whine here with the hab fans. Yes there were bad calls...both ways. Problem with Montreal fans are that they are irrational and can't see this, they think it is an American conspiracy. Nor can they see that there team is a hack 8th place finisher who got into the playoffs not on their own accord. Halik is the beginning the middle and the end of this story.

 

Yet, this Jersey style of play might work for Montreal...trap plus grab plus super awesome goal tending but then the Hab fans shouldn't complain about boring because it is Montreal that is afraid to play on open game until they have a lead. Like the old Jersey they play better with a lead. Only problem is that Montreal can't rely on Pittsburg to score the winning goal every game like last night!

 

Finally, we are in a different era and Crosby has a right to be upset with daily mugging he gets from Gil. The Montreal fanboys should stop whining about those justified calls. The rules changed to allow for athletic skill. But, as long as there are the non-calls for interference Pittsburg should do a Chicago. Crash the net.

 

Referring on the other hand favored one team..... almost took my 12 gauge and shoot the dam 48" flat screen and that is all I'm going to say about it

With all that whine, you hab fans might need some cheese..

What do these numbers mean: 7,3,8?

18...cough....

So now you're trolling for carp sucking, bottom feeding Hab fans?

 

Why thank you Solo...my life at the moment makes sense again. You are right, I'm stuck with the hab fans and carp...and both suck. After they beat Washington you would think that the Canadians had accomplished world peace by the overreaction of their fans, totally annoying.

 

 

Your line of thinking got me thinking though...there are many things the same between a carp and Montreal Canadian: 1)bottom dweller, 2)most powerful feature is the tail, 3)yellow, 4)big scales, 5)small squinty eyes, 6)passive, 7)fans overate them, 8)always in season

Good luck to all ya habby fans. May the better team win tomorrow!

 

But Bunk, you must have me mixed up about trolling for carp. How can you see what was deleted doesn't exist!

Pike is closed in southern ontario (zone 16) until the second sat in may, except a few specific areas.

Rather be eliminated in the playoffs rather than eliminated from playoff contention like the Leafs are oh so good at!

 

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/recap?gid=2010041010

If you have to get eliminated, there was no better way than on your last game beating the hapless Canadians who were fighting for their playoff lives and lost. Without Halak Montreal is toast and it doesn't look like he can handle winning each and every game by himself night after night. Carey Carey Carey

 

Halak played awesome today and he had to or Montreal would have lost badly. The 4-0 prediction is toast. Mea Culpa, I was wrong. Oh well...alls well that ends well. It will be great to see Montreal eliminated!!

Naw..Montreal is like the Yankees, or the Cowboys. It's just right to dislike them!

There was no nervous tension. The puck went in early and often. Halik looked very human. They had to take him out before he tarnished. The giant killers were anything but. The fans enjoyed the spectacle, the outcome never in doubt. No need to cheer wildly for your team to win, it was a happy relaxed time for them. One easy win closer to the stanley cup.

Carey Price has come in...Game 1 is OVER!

Montreal loses in four. 8 shots...3 goals

Thanks for sharing...did this old soul some good!

I wise old guy told me to soak it very warm water. Did the trick for me. There are times where you want strength and as much stealth as possible. I'd use straight fluoro then.

You know what this might actually work, esp if you are dragging baits/lures (that look like carp bait) through the bottom susbtrate as it will push up a lot of debris and potential food items for the carp (sorta like a chumline for your presentation).

 

But honestly, if your lake is as bad as the pic you posted. I would have issues even handling these fish LOL let alone trying to target anything or even troll in the water.

 

I've always thought it has potential. Again I could be totally wrong. Best time to fish this lake is now till about the mid-end of June. After that it can look as bad as that pic although most years it doesn't. So this lake really only has about a two month window. You can still catch carp in it but they lose their spunk and the water gets skanky...like milk with blue green paint in it. The lake is shallow and warms up quick.

 

I do fish pike often so I know where they hang out. Earlier in the season they will be near some sort of cover, point..etc. On this lake you have a blanket like condition for carp. My thinking is fish the unremarkable areas, not near bends or points. Carp are literally turning up the whole lake in the search for food. I've got a micro yo-zuri deep lipped lure. When I was on lake Erie the water was only about 3ft deep and they were hitting small yo-zuri crystal minnows. I figure the lipped lure will get me a little deeper. The troll will be slow...as slow as I have ever trolled. Think about it, your a carp and spending a lot of energy digging up the bottom and then right next you see a flash of a small wounded baitfish....slurp. Bone fish are also bottom feeders. They will have their nose right in the bottom but if they see an easy meal they have quams about taking small fish. Any thoughts on the slow troll and small plugs would be appreciated. Some sort of crayfish looking plug...

Hey Teach,,,, i think you are hung up on theory( see research) Lots of carp fishermen gave their experience to you and you blew them off. There is an old saying that seems apropo here: Those that can't TEACH,, those that can DO ! Keep surfing the net, maybe you WILL find the answer that YOU want eventually. Happy "trolling"

 

Yes, hung up on theory and there is a good possibility that the naysayers are right. That I'm only going to foul hook them if I try and troll. But I do research things, allow me to share.

 

Why troll? Moving trolled baits permits anglers to present those baits to many more fish than anchoring and waiting for catfish to rely on their sense of smell to approach. If the catfish are scattered, as is often the case, chances are moving along productive spots, in contrast to sitting on a single location, will present bait to many more catfish. And, trolling the way Mac does, presents baits to a variety of depths, searching out the spots where catfish may be on a given day. At times the range of depths may be as great as 5-feet on the shallow rig and 45- or 50-feet on the deepest.

http://www.timmeadfishing.com/Archive.php

 

Tim uses herring at the end of his rig but he does troll for cats.

 

Gary LaFontaine reports watching trout in the shallows of a mountain lake. They would cruise along and suddenly change direction to begin rooting on the bottom and another leech would become trout fodder. It took him a while to discover how the trout knew where to root. It was a small puff of silt stirred up when the leech moved. He used this information to design the Bristle Leech -- a leech imitation that sits on the bottom but creates a puff of silt when retrieved. The Bristle Leech catches not only trout but also carp and the mechanism that triggers a strike in both fish would seem to be the same.

 

Bonefish anglers know that bonefish also look for puffs -- shrimp, crabs, and the like moving along the bottom of mud flats and creating a small cloud with each jerky move. A common technique is to cast in front of a bonefish, allow the fly to sink to settle to the bottom, and then give about a short pull on the flyline. The fly rises up off the bottom and creates the puff of silt. A bonefish, even some distance away, can see the puff and rush over for a meal (your fly).

 

My experience with carp is that they respond just like the trout and bonefish. As they cruise along the bottom vacuuming up what they find, they are also watching for fleeing prey. Perhaps it's a crayfish scurrying out of the way or a leech or a mayfly nymph. But carp will see their puff of silt and charge after them. I saw this graphically demonstrated one day when I was fly fishing for bluegill off the end of my dock. My fly was an olive nymph with bead chain eyes. It resembles both a crayfish and a dragonfly nymph. I looked on the bottom about 6 or 7 yards out from the dock and there was a carp, just sitting there facing me and gently finning. I cast the nymph about 4 or 5 feet in front of him. As it sank he paused, and, I assume, watched the fly drop to the bottom. But he made no move until I gave the fly a twitch, creating that little puff. The carp took the fly in a flash, and, realizing its mistake took off for parts unknown. Unfortunately I was using a light rod and tippet and had no hope of controlling the fish. It broke off in short order. I have since caught lots of carp (and one catfish!) using just the following techniques: choosing a fly that sinks to the bottom hook point up and stirs the mud or silt when twitched; either sight casting to carp in the shallows or blind casting to an area where I have groundbaited; and using very slow, short retrieves with long pauses in between.

https://www.msu.edu/~connert/carpfly.htm

 

This dude reports that carp respond to puffs of silt on the bottom like bonefish. I have experience with bonefish so this seems very possible. So why wouldn't carp respond to a micro long lipped plug that was slowly trolled on the bottom? A kayak is ideal for this because it can get in very shallow without making noise. Carp are a spooky and intelligent fihs. I'll let you all know how it works, your doubts have me questioning if this can work so I am very curious now.

I am just wondering why your profile pic looks like a pike...?

 

It sure leaves some questions about the intent of your "trolling for carp"

How little faith so many of you have that I am not lying and how quick you are to jump to conclusions. That speaks more to you then it does to me. The last time I caught a pike in this lake was around the time of y2k computer bug. Rest assured that no pike coming out of this "lake" ever looked as healthy or was even as remotely large as the pike on my profile pic.

 

At times the waters can be this bad in the late spring.

Firstly, I imagine that you will take some heat as it will look like you are targeting OOS fish.

Perhaps and that is a reason why I started this thread. Tell me though how many pike fishermen have caught smallmouth bass out of season? I will be fishing in a way, and with lures that no one normally would troll for or fish for pike.

 

One thing that I can't get past is that you're saying that you've had alot of hits on lures? I find that when carp are hooked in the mouth they have a really hard time getting off. In fact, I can't remember the last time that I lost a carp and still had a hook when I reeled in. On the other hand, when carp are foul hooked they often get off rather easily. You don't always end up with scales on your hook either.

Fishing from a kayak is different, you can't instantly get on your rod, in fact it could be seconds until you are in the proper position to fight a fish...but your point is well taken. I wouldn't know what the answer is until I tested this theory out. Have thought about tightening the drag down next time.

 

So my question is: what reason do you really have to believe that they are biting? When you see a group of spawning carp and then you drag a lure through them, chances are you are going to get bumps that might look like hits. As others have said, if you want to catch carp, bait is the way to go. I have had success with corn many times and it isn't sticky/smelly etc. Flies work well too, but I usually cast them as opposed to trolling with them. Or... you can troll around lures, but I imagine that you'll find you will be foul hooking many carp before you get one to bite.

Do carp spawn first week of april? That is when I went out...those first few incredibly hot days. I have heard what others have said but I simply want to try a new method. If I'm foul hooking them, I'll know that soon enough. And if few the pike who live in these skank waters have enough energy after the spawn and the daily struggle to get oxygen, hit micro lures trolled at a very slow speed in the middle of a body of water, I'll know that too. Rest assured if either case is happening I'd stop.

 

I'd rather be in my kayak getting exercise and looking at the countryside fishing for carp then sitting on a cold rock contemplating the price of corn and waiting for the slightest twitch.

P.S. SCURO2 While you think Roy is quick to judge remember he is a Moderator and has access to ALL of your information/posts/internal notes and I am sure he has his bases for warning you in a polite way. Heed the polite warning it will go far in your life on OFC .You also can P.M. Roy if you can not figure out what his reference is about after all since he warned you he is more interested in having you as a member than not.

Anyone who knows me, knows I am always above board, and you would see that on all my pms or posts. I'm a school teacher and not your average rule breaker. I know that Roy was well intentioned but he jumped to a conclusion that was groundless. If Roy wants to point something out publicly then he shouldn't be surprised if he gets a public response. I think he is done with that point as I hope you are.

Like I said there the waters are overrun with carp. It is almost dead water because of all of the nutrients coming off the farm land. You see fish kills of bullheads because the ecosystem sucks. I've spent many a night casting from shore trying to get pike and nada. Carp, you can't put corn out and not get a hit in 15 minutes.

 

My point is I've research this, believe that if I fish in a certain way I will almost exclusively, if not totally catch carp on this lake, and I'd like to try that out. Where are all the libertarians when you need them?

Scuro IMO, you're trolling now and it isn't for carp. You aren't even sure the first one was a carp.This is a trolling thread by design.

Quick to judge, are you not?...and may I add your assumptions are way off base.

 

I took my yak out to Lake Erie and fished for pike a few weeks ago. That is legal. While moving between places I let a lure out. I could see carp jumping everywhere and got a number of hits. One had some good line peel to it but it got off. I'd see em jump and then go other to that spot and get a hit. These were probably carp because it was shallow and I wasn't near structure. I've been researching a little, and others on this thread confirm that carp at certain times will hit lures. Now pike are not in-season anywhere inshore in southwestern ontario. I don't want to drive over an hour to fish. I want to fish my local lake. So there is the possibility that I could catch pike. That is not my intention, nor would I be fishing lures or fishing in a style that I would to catch pike. How is this different then fishing a lake when pike is open and there is the possibility that you catch off season bass?

 

I want to fish this way because I don't like sitting on my arse when I fish and I can yak and see some countryside all the while testing out my theory. I enjoy the mental challenge of "putting it together" and catching fish when others are not. I think I can catch em. Maybe not as effectively as with corn but I got hits previously every 20 minutes or so and that ain't bad fishing to me. Also I can cover a lot of ground and find hot spots.

Yeah, might be a pretty tough sell to a CO... since you would almost certainly catch mostly OOS species rather than the target carp and they obviously know this. I have caught a few carp over the years on moving baits as well, but it is the exception rather than the norm.

 

The thing is this "lake" is more like a runoff pool and very nutrient rich. There are probably 30 carp for every pike and I feel confident that I could mostly, if not exclusively catch carp. I'm not big on sitting on my arse dealing with slimy bait and watching my line for slight vibrations.

Had a recent experience in trolling for pike where I believe I had a carp on that wasn't snagged. Now in my local waters most of the fish are out of season except fish like carp. It is mostly a carp lake. I plan to fish small lures at a slow speed. Anyone ever do this? Also there is the danger that I could actually catch a pike out of season. How would one explain this to ministry guy if he ever saw you trolling and you catch a pike? Almost all carp fishermen use bait like corn.

Leslie and I went there for the first time about a month ago. Lovely place to pass away a week. Hope you don't mind if I add some pics to give further impressions of this resort. We went march break so we picked this place because it's 18 and over. At the Krystal there were 500 Canadian high school students partying HARD. The drinking age in Cuba is 16.

 

 

The place has it's upsides like the house band.

 

 

View from the grill and beach side restaurant.

 

 

Gotta love the beach.

 

 

Did you encounter the beach Pelican who let you get up close and personal for pics?