scuro2

You may have heard that the more open water in the arctic the greater the amount of heat will be absorbed and the higher the amount of melting will be, a sort of run away train of melting, and it makes sense, however, it also makes sense that in order to overcome this inertia you would need significantly more cooling, so, not only was it cold enough last year to overcome that problem of more open water, the arctic did more than hold it's ground, it gained ice. I would be more interested in a global temperature trend over the last couple years more than the 'o but we only have a bit more ice than 2007..', true yes, but it took a significantly colder year to reverse that trend and increase the overall amounts, and THAT might mean something.

 

Im on the fence about all this, particularly about wether or not humans are causing any changes, for those of you that have bought in to all of this I just hope you understand that all of those phd's doing all of these studies don't know what is happening, they have theories, right or wrong there is no way to know for sure what is or will happen in the future. I just wonder how the average guy can become so convinced of something because suzuki etc said so, the earth has been warmer in the recent past, next time your voting liberal, ask your self if it's because your smarter than those conservative rednecks or just more easily fooled. Prove that the 'warming' is human caused..you can't, i'd be happy if we reduced pollution, co2, and all the rest, but to wonder what excuses people have in order to avoid the 'truth' shows just how ignorant the op was, and the fisrt paragraph i wrote easily shows why, I wonder why the liberal media doesn't make that point tho....I wonder, o maybe the red star will print a balanced article about it...lol.

When the polar ice cap became one giant iceberg last year, for the first time in about 125,000 years, I took notice. That's not some regional trend or cyclical thing. I've enjoyed a lot of the responses, they have been enlightening. There are a lot of smart people on the board.

It's very hard to prove anything exists. Prove that Schizophrenia exists or that smoking causes cancer. Scientists draw conclusions through a body of evidence. Sometimes the evidence is overwhelming even though one can not conclusively draw a conclusion. Global warming as a theory has wide acceptance in scientific field, even though some would like us to believe that there is active debate here, like two football teams going head to head. That notion is bogus. That's not to say that there isn't a few well known and respected scientists who disagree with the theory, because there are but they are in a clear minority.

As to see ice and trends, it's not just about coverage but thickness.

More here - http://spacefellowship.com/2009/07/08/new-...a-ice-thinning/

Was there today with my second cousin from oversees. Glad to see you got some fish!

Ahh the Jesus freaks Links!!!!!!!!!!!

Your global warming is proving to be a myth, however the Al Gores and the likes will not debate the subject. Gore is a Populist and not a scientist anyways. Too bad that the schools got horny and started showing the the movies to our kids before there was even a debate. I would concentrate on our water pollution than the world ending because the ice is melting. Like I said, a myth, you can pay any so called environmental taxes because of this scare tactic, but not icky Bob here isn't. By the way, why bring this up, oh I get it, you smell an election. Oh here we go again. NA HA HA HA HA What a joke, you are quoting a story by THE UNDERGROUND WEATHER NETWORK a wonder-blog by DR Whatever his name. come on now. Didn'T your Daddy teach you not to believe everything on the Internet. For that matter Newspapers, and the CBC. hey Pigeon Troller, your not getting sucked in, are ya. Ha Ha Ha Get a load of his links

 

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/1622..._Global_Warming

http://www.taxpayerblog.com/2008/05/32000-...al-warming.html

I'm not sure what you are really getting at. Al Gore isn't a Jesus freak and the links were to non-christian websites. The blog does have an unusual title. My brother, who is an amateur meteorologist, introduced me to it. If you take a look at the resume of the person who wrote the article, he is no slouch. http://www.wunderground.com/about/jmasters.asp If you think about it, how could you have an underground weather network? I think the title is all a little tongue in cheek. Jeff Masters is very insightful and brings information to the webpage that one doesn't see elsewhere. For instance that fact that the north pole is actually slowly tilting away from the sun during the summer, and that the ice sheets should be spreading...was news to me. http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMaste...l?entrynum=1310

Your links really don't add anything to the original point. I have no problem accepting that there are scientists who disagree with the viewpoint that there is global warming. But how do you explain the record ice sheet melts at the north pole? I've posted each year, over the last three years on that point. Each of those years were records, or had other highly significant events happening at the north pole. No one really wants to discuss that issue. They want to mock the idea of global warming, or they post stuff that has nothing to do with this particular issue. In the end the thread gets locked because people like yourself try to draw out emotional responses by taunting people. Do you actually have an opinion on the melting of the ice cap?

I spend a week with my mom each summer. This summer I convinced her that we should see something new, no matter how nice Mary lake is by Huntsville.

My mom has an eye for beautiful things.

My daughter Sara came along and we both appreciated it. 3000 k's gives you lots of time to talk.

The furtherest west we stayed was Rossport.

And on a day trip we got just outside of Nipigon to a lookout that I had been to 3 years ago. I've travelled all of the major highways of Ontario, except west of Thunderbay. Some other time.

We saw a lot.

I'd like very much to return to this area and stay for a week or two in a few choice areas.

This area has a way of soothing your soul.

Of course I did some fishing in the mornings.

Pike were easy. They hammered rainbow spoons.

Harder was fishing river mouths. Simply because there was a mouth, didn't mean there were desirable fish. I did hook into a silvery white bodied fish near here. Dark blue and green on the top. I would have flung it up on the shore but I would have killed it, as we were not making our own meals at this location. This fish was not dogged, but athletic and spirited. I hooked the same fish, or same type of fish several times over two mornings, all looking to be around 5 pounds. Only ever brought it close enough to shore to keep once. Anyone have any idea what sort of fish that could be? Caught it on a cleo. No other fish were biting at the mouths. Lots of fun in a beautiful location.

That's the thing with pacifists. If you disagree or challenge them, when backed to a corner, they first revert to name calling, and if that doesn't work, the Human rights or other forms of litigation. The Red necks, well, just laugh it off. LOL

I don't think you have "challenged" anything. There has been a fair bit of mocking. But actually talking issues has not really been attempted, that is unless you believe the ice in a glass of water jokes were an attempt at discourse. I'd love to see some intelligent debate about recent data and I hope you contribute.

Here's a bit more info to move that discussion along.

http://www.seed.slb.com/v2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1166

When the ice cube melts, its volume changes, but its weight is conserved (law of the conservation of mass). So the melted water from the ice cube has exactly the same weight as the water that was displaced by the ice cube when it was frozen -- therefore the volume of melted water fits exactly in the previously displaced volume -- and the water level stays the same.

Note that this argument applies only if the ice cube is made of the same water as the water that it is floating in. This is true, for example, with the Arctic ice pack, which is made of frozen sea water. However, it is not true for Antarctic icebergs, which are blocks of fresh-water ice from the continent that are floating in salt-water sea. In this case, we must take into account that the salt water is denser than the fresh water. The fresh-water iceberg still weighs as much as the weight of the displaced salt water, but because of the difference in density, the volume of melted fresh water will be slightly greater than the displaced volume of salt water -- so when the iceberg melts, the water level will rise, although the difference is very small.

What would cause sea levels to rise significantly would be the melting of ice packs on land. The water flows off the land into the water, adding volume. And one of the biggest chunks of ice would be on Greenland. Recent analysis on that issue here -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009...-climate-change

Arctic sea ice suffered another summer of significant melting in 2009, with August ice extent the third lowest on record, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. August ice extent was 19% below the 1979 - 2000 average, and only 2007 and 2008 saw more melting of Arctic sea ice. We've now had two straight years in the Arctic without a new record minimum in sea ice. However, this does not mean that the Arctic sea ice is recovering...

The researchers found that Arctic temperatures steadily declined between 1 A.D. and 1900 A.D., as would be expected due to a 26,000-year cycle in Earth's orbit that brought less summer sunshine to the North Pole. Earth is now about 620,000 miles (1 million km) farther from the Sun in the Arctic summer than it was 2000 years ago. However, temperatures in the Arctic began to rise around the year 1900, and are now 1.4°C (2.5°F) warmer than they should be, based on the amount of sunlight that is currently falling in the Arctic in summer....

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMaste...l?entrynum=1310

I would like to check out Angling Outfitters but can't find there hours on line or a website for them can someone post hours maybe

or i might have to pic up the phone

Here you go... http://www.canpages.ca/page/ON/woodstock/a...rs/1566476.html

Just a great fish to admire. Somethings you just can't kill.

What might be more rare is the Carling beer. They still make that stuff?

Hardcore carping...can't argue with success!

There is something about fishing for lakers and leadcore that I simply enjoy. This was my third trip to Lake Kipawa in Quebec...

...and my second trip to Dorval Bay.

This was our first family vacation there.

My three girls.

The girls still like to explore.

We did a little outing down the lake, thanks Bob and Claire

What's not to like?

We were staying at what used to be the first fishing camp on the lake. They used to have fly-ins and went to Ogascanan lake.

The family continues to live in the bay and the business had been in operation for a long time. Amie Dorval is over 80. We shared coffee and laughs with him in the morning. Even though I'm first generation Canadian, I was the GERMAN. As told by Amie, he was one of the first licensed guides in Quebec in 1947.

Here he is with his son.

They still have pics from the past, on top of the bar.

Family catching fish way back when.

Huge fish.

The fishing is good but they are creating spawning beds to make sure it stays that way. Here is a barge loaded with fist sized chunks of gravel. As I was taking this pic I had a laker on. I got the full blast of the alarm from the boat when I lifted the laker.

I'd take out whoever wanted to come. It was nice to share coffee with my wife on a beautiful morning. My daughter also came out a few times and Lulu loved to fish. This dog shook whenever a fish came on board and was growling when she determined that there wasn't enough action. She was constantly checking the lines and the water.

All but one the fish were under the 50 cm slot limit.

Lulu gave them all the business.

She tried to bite the keeper.

My keeper.

Moments before it hit the BBQ

Amie set up this rod for me. This setup is for bottom bouncing and the flashers are called a "Christmas tree" by locals. They use a 5 ounce weight and troll around 1.5 km in about 60 ft of water. They bottom bounce as one does for walleye. I was finding fish in 100ft of water and never used Amie's gear, I don't think it would have worked in such deep water. It sat by his table....would have tried it if there was more time.

On the last day I did go out fishing with Bob who is his son in law. He tried out his own Christmas tree, but we got chased off the water by heavy rain. You wouldn't think it looking at this pic, but an hour later it poured. All in all, a very nice week.

I wish I lived closer because since I've started hearing about Angling Outfitters on our board and particulary Jocelyn, I have heard nothing but very good things about those folks.

That would be my pick. Jocelyn is great but so are the rest of the crew. You gotta love the banter between Jocelyn and Sherm, it always puts a smile on my face when you hear Sherm bugging Jocelyn about not having ordered something. Jos is great with newbies, he goes that extra mile to build up that customer base, and will spend the time pointing out spots on a lake to fish, lures to use, and suitable tackle. He showed me the ropes a decade ago.

I do try to stop in every fishing store that I can. I have a thing for spoons.

I always throw the big fish back. Would only consider keeping one if it was a world record, and I might very well throw that back too. I've only ever keep fish for that night's meal, and at that, it would a few smaller ones then a big one. The meat is better on small ones and there is less toxin build up in several small fish then one larger fish. I take no issue if others want to keep large fish or keep their limit everyday.

Steelhead would be coming in. Have you thought about Sturgeon? It might be one of the best times. Don't know a lot about BC fishing but found this discussion board in the past helpful. http://www.bcfishingreports.com/

Always enjoy the old outdoor pics. Who started the pipe smoking pic? Kind of like cigar pics last decade. Was it Bing Crosby? Smoking a pipe after the deer kill defines and outdoor era.

Have you considered an inflatable? Bought one these because there is a lot of small water I want to explore and I wanted to take a boat to Cuba for fishing. No complaints here. http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/models_i9s.html

Great trip but hey, where did you go? I loved the blue fins, I'd go just for that.

From what I've heard, that is a decent lake that promote catch and release. First thing I do when I arrive at a lake is grill everyone who has fished it. They may not tell you hot spots but they will tell you lures, depths, and time of day that big ones were caught.

#1 rule of big pike fishing is go where the big pike are. Ask the place that you are going to, if they have big pike. Check out their website, what pictures do they post? If there are no big pike, try another species like catfish, if you are looking for a fish with a little more muscle. Dem Quebecers hate pike but love the Dore. They will think you are nuts wanting pike. Lakes with dams are not always the best pike lakes because they change the water levels dramatically in the early spring when pike spawn. There is lots dammed water in Quebec. Pike like natural water levels. Late August isn't the best time to go because they are often deeper out of lure range, then again pike are often hungry so there are opportunities. I'd be looking for good healthy weed beds 10 ft or deeper. If the water is warm they will come up to feed early and late in the day. If it is cooler they may stay in the beds. Take a pool thermometer and measure surface and 10ft water. The big ones won't like water over 72ish degrees. If I use spoons, I'll count to three after a cast and before I reel. Getting the lure deeper can be good. If you want to throw into the edges of the weeds, use a Johnson silver minnow. If you want to work the top use a buzzbait or a small spinner bait. The big ones are opportunists and like the easy meals. Where ever there is chaos or unusual events in the water, pike will be there...narrows, storms, high wind. They like that darty flashy look and commotion on the surface, on the bottom, or in the weeds. The lure does not have to be realistic but it does have to be able to dance or strut.

I flipped my 12 ft tinny 2 yrs ago cost me alot of money .my camera was toast$237.oo dig scale $42.00 net $32.00

 

Found my tackle box .few.......................

 

My rod was wrapped around my oar and I was wearing my PFD.

 

Thankfully digi camera's have come down in price.

 

Look on the bright side no one drowned.

I remember that story well.

Thanks for the tip about Rossport. I've seen some of the landscape a bit east of Nipigon. Stunning but that's about all I saw since I came down from Cochrane. You could fish right from shore and catch fish. That was early July. So late August...a purdy spot for mom, and a few places I can DIY fish would be grand...Preferably near lodging. This place near Wawa looks promising. http://www.rockislandlodge.ca/

Will be doing a week long road trip with my 74 year old mom at the end of August. We do a week's vacation every year and I usually have a few hours in the morning for myself and a little time for myself after dinner. Anyone recommend picturesque spots on the north shore?

This is the sort of NF post that I don't mind seeing.

Is this picture online somewhere? it looks like someone i know of the same name, but i can't tell from that picture, and he's just the type to exagerate like that.

Okay so the dude is way off on the weight, at least he didn't mistake it for a Muskie!!!

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/gl...d_Spinning.html

I use this one for pike and when I am tossing lighter muskie lures. There is another one rated over an ounce...but couldn't find it. I like that it is two piece and it's long enough for when a bigger fish runs under the boat. They have strength and can handle muskie. I had a 40 pound king moving down river and the rod held up with a beauty arch.