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Thanks all, can't see it being a bad time, will likely get out for a couple/few hours each day and will stick to the usual suspects for bait and tackle. Ideally get enough for a meal and shame the father from the other family with my hunter gatherer skills.

Hello all, I will be staying at a cottage on West lake the middle of June. I grew up in Belleville and fished the lake 25 years ago and used to do ok with walleye, small pike and bass. Walleye and Pike are open during my time there but I have no idea what the fishing on the lake is like a quarter century since the last time I wet a line there. Just curious if anyone from the area can give me some info on present day conditions. Greg

Been up since 3 with a sick kid, alternating OFC with cleaning up vomit, smells like catfish bait or maybe I'm just dreaming of soft water. No fishing today.

Nope, makes you intelligent.

It's not like hockey threads are replacing fishing threads, one doesn't negate the other. There are as many fishing threads as people post, having non-fishing threads removed isn't going to increase the number of fishing threads so pass them by and read what strikes your fancy

Same as camping for me, I pack my own of certain things because I travel a lot. A small carry on size bag or knapsack will hold a small coffee maker, cups, a small mason jar of dishsoap, etc., slippers or cheap shower shoes for in the room. Also a good idea to pack 1-2 single sheets and a pillow case in the same bag. Once you get the system down it's just one more small bag to lug, often it will fit inside a big suitcase. I have a friend who manages a hotel for a major chain and when he travels he carries two queen size sheets sewn together to make a large sleeping bag type thing. I figure if he manages a hotel and does that, it pretty much tells me all I need to know. He also says to never put your toothbrush down on the bar counter. Use your toiletries then put them right bag in the travel bag you caryy them in.

Donald Marshall Jr., David Milgaard, Guy Paul Morin and Steven Truscott are just a few of the reasons why I am glad we don't have the death penalty. While Robert Pickton is in a different class, if the death penalty exists it has the potential to be applied in any murder case. Pickton will never get out in the same manner that Clifford Olsen, Paul bernardo, etc. will never get out.

From todays Ottawa Citizen. Interesting read on the current state of some of our waterways. Grave Waters Kate Jaimet, The Ottawa Citizen Published: Friday, November 30, 2007 Urban sewage and runoff from farm fields are driving down the quality of water in lakes and rivers across southern Canada, according to a report to be published this week by Environment Canada. And while federal Environment Minister John Baird is promising tough new rules and an $8 billion plan to build sewage treatment facilities, the draft regulations don't tackle the biggest problem identified in the report: an excess of phosphates that has led to blooms of toxic blue-green algae in lakes from Quebec to Alberta. "The standard they're setting will not have a big impact in central Canada," said Elaine MacDonald, senior scientist with the environmental organization Ecojustice Canada. The growth of blue-green algae is driven by an overdose of phosphates that wash into rivers and lakes from animal manure, fertilizers on lawns and farm fields and inadequately treated human sewage, said Jean-Francois Bibeault, manager for water quality indicators development and integration at Environment Canada. He said phosphates are the most common reason why water quality was rated as "marginal" or "poor" in nearly one-quarter of monitoring stations in southern Canadian lakes and rivers, based on data collected between 2003 and 2005. The data, which was released by Environment Canada to the Citizen, will be published on Thursday in the Canadian Environmental Sustainability Indicators 2007 report. "The intent of the index is to highlight some critical problems that the country may have, that may require action at the political level," Mr. Bibeault said. Blue-green algae, also known as cyano-bacteria, can release toxins that attack the liver, nervous system, or skin of humans and animals. Water contaminated with cyanobacteria is unsafe for swimming, and especially dangerous for drinking. "We've seen huge blooms that are covering the whole north basin of Lake Winnipeg in the summer," said Al Kristofferson, managing director of the Lake Winnipeg Research Consortium. "Farmers know if they get a bloom on their dugout, it can kill animals within minutes." But phosphates also stimulate other plant growth, said Brian Meagher, a biologist with Trout Unlimited, an organization dedicated to protecting cold-water fish and their habitats. Too many plants can deplete the oxygen supply of a lake, both as they grow and as they die and decay. This chokes off the oxygen supply for other aquatic life. "You're going to lose some of the species of fish that cannot tolerate the low dissolved oxygen," said Mr. Meagher. "You're also going to have a blanket of vegetation across the bottom, which is going to impact species that are spawning in the river, because you're going to reduce the area where they can spawn." Besides Lake Winnipeg, phosphates also plagued Quebec this summer, where 156 lakes were temporarily closed to swimming due to cyanobaceteria. Not confined to cottage country, phosphates are a significant problem in the agricultural area of the Yamaska River on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River between Montreal and Trois Rivieres, Environment Canada's Mr. Bibeault said. According to data released by Quebec's environment department, the Yamaska River ranks as one of the most polluted in the province, with scores at different monitoring stations ranging from a high of 80/100, or "good," to a low of 27/100, or "poor." Most of the stations show the river in mediocre to poor condition. And the excess of phosphates has become an "epidemic" in Alberta's parkland belt between Lac La Biche and Red Deer, said University of Alberta water ecologist David Schindler. The draft regulations proposed by Mr. Baird, obtained by the Citizen, show they will not set a standard for phosphate levels in municipal effluent. In an interview with the Citizen this week, Mr. Baird said he's focused on cleaning up raw sewage. "The big thing is we're going to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our lakes, rivers, streams and oceans," Mr. Baird said. "The regulations will kick in, in 20 years' time." The draft regulations - which are expected to be formally tabled in December, 2008 - will make sewage treatment mandatory and set standards for the amount of chlorine, suspended solids (like fecal matter) and oxygen-consuming organic material that can be left in sewage water before it is discharged. Mr. Baird said that over the coming seven years up to $8 billion in federal money out of a $33 billion infrastructure fund will be available to municipalities to improve their water and sewer facilities. At the top of his list are new facilities for Victoria, B.C., and Saint John, N.B.. But the dumping of purely raw sewage is mainly an issue in ocean-side cities, like those identified by the minister, said Ms. MacDonald. The vast majority of municipalities whose effluent goes into lakes and rivers already clean their sewage to the standard set out in the new regulations, she said. Even after that treatment, high levels of phosphates often remain. As well, even when sewage treatment plants that meet the regulations are in place, rainstorms can overwhelm the older sewer systems in some cities like Toronto and Montreal, sending untreated sewage directly into waterways instead of treatment plants. The draft regulations go some way to addressing this problem by requiring cities to develop an action plan to reduce their overflow effluent within a 30 year timeframe There are other sources of phosphates that the government's initiative does not address. In rural areas, phosphates can seep into the lakes from leaky or overflowing septic tanks. Phosphates can also enter waterways in runoff from lawns and farms, especially when there is no buffer-zone of natural vegetation protecting the banks of the rivers or lakes. Both the Yamaska River and Lake Winnipeg suffer from an excess of phosphates from agricultural sources. "No plan to deal with cyanobacteria can succeed unless it has a very strong agricultural element to it," said NDP environment critic Thomas Mulcair. Mr. Mulcair plans to table a private member's bill before Christmas that would encourage provinces to legislate ten-metre buffer zones separating farm fields from rivers and lakes. He said only three provinces currently have legislated buffer zones: three metres in Ontario and Quebec and ten metres in PEI. Under the NDP's proposal, the federal government would compensate farmers for the loss of their productive land. Mr. Mulcair estimates the compensation would cost about $1,500 per hectare. Mr. Baird said he'd be willing to look at the NDP proposal, but dealing with agricultural runoff is not a component of his sewage-treatment plan. Mr. Mulcair's bill would also ban phosphates in dishwasher detergent, a proposal that is already contained in a private member's bill tabled by Bloc Québécois environment critic Bernard Bigras. Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia has also tabled a bill that would limit the phosphate content of detergents to 0.5 per cent. The province of Quebec has already announced it will ban phosphate in detergents. And the industry association has come out in favour of a Canada-wide 0.5 per cent limit. But Mr. Baird will not say whether he supports banning or limiting phosphates in detergents.

Why is it that none of the ardent anti-smokers who think tobacco companies should pay for smokers medical care; or feel smokers should be denied free medical care like the rest of Canadians won't answer a simple question.? Obesity is on the rise. It has several related medical issues that are a burden on the health care system. It will eventually replace cigarette smoking as a health issue. How come none of you are willing to condemn over weight people with the same vehemence and demand they be excluded from medical care because they eat too much, eat poorly and don't exercise? And don't give me the argument that it is because their habits don't impact others. They do, specifically children. Childhood obesity is on the rise. I have three school age kids. Many, many, many of their classmates are overweight, some quite severly. In virtually all cases so are their parents. These kids eat what they are fed by their parents and are headed for a life of respitory problems, diabetes, etc. Smoking and eating are both legal. If you are willing to be self-righteous and condemn one person for partcipating in a legal practice that does result in a burden on their health, you have to be willing to apply the same standard of "acceptable" behavior towards other practices and also accept the fact that people who do eat properly and exercise have the right, just like you, to condemn fat people. For the record, I am an on-again, off-again smoker, currently on. I had quit for several years, then started again about 3 years ago. I have never smoked in my house and never smoked in my car when others were in the car. I support most if not all anti-smoking laws because I agree in prinipal that individuals have a right to not have the habits of others infringe on their lives. In short, smoking is one of many bad health habits that people particpate in. If you are fine with the notion that it is right and just to condemn them for it, don't ever complain when your lifestyle choices receive the same treatment from others who may not agree with how you live.

You can't take the good with the bad in a country with universal health care. Cigarettes and alcohol are two of the most heavily taxed items. Much of this tax money goes into the health care system. In fact, a heavy smoker puts more into the tax system than a non-smoker since they pay all the same other taxes in addition to the taxes from cigarettes.. A heavy smoking alcoholic even more so. If you want a health care system based on legal life style choices consider this, obesity is on the rise and is fast catching up to smoking as the number one health hazard and burden on the medical system. Should fat people forfeit their right to medical care because they eat too much and don't exercise? What about health issues more prominent in certain races of people. As a man, why do I have to pay for anything related to childbirth, gynocology, etc. No one forced single mothers to get pregnant. No one sensible would suggest smoking is anything but harmful and I agree with the smoking laws but to suggest smokers should be second class citizens in terms of access to health care is a slippery slope.

Whatever, at least you make it easier for the rest of us the separate the imbeciles from the pack. And Gerritt, there's really only one way to read what you wrote irregardless of how you want to back track and spin it. Now if you all will excuse me, I have some dishes to do.

Wow Gerrit, that's great. I'm sure the female members of the board appreciate the enlightened attitude - shut up, cook and clean. As for the sponsorship thing, it is a necessary evil. Until WFN came along fishing shows were almost entirely self-produced. The networks that air them would give next to no money but would let the producer keep and sell the commercial air time within the 1/2 hour of their show. Sponsors wanted more than simply having their add run at commercial break so product placement was embedded in the show. Just about every show does it, Choronzy, Italo, Izumi, Babe Winkleman, Shelly & Courtney, etc. As for Choronzy, he blathers on more than any other host but I can always switch the channel so it hasn't become much of an issue for me. If he wants to keep and eat some fish, that's fine. Many of us do as well. I just wish he wouldn't talk with his mouth full, it's poor manners.

Ok, lets say we buy into Gore's philosophy and adopt change based on mankinds footprint on the earth being a primary cause of global warming. Then when the dust settles however many years down the road we find out that Gore was 100% wrong. What would the results be: We have invested time and money towards less pollution, cleaner environment, less reliance on fossil fuels, fewer emissions resulting in fewer respitory disorders in the general population? Even if he is wrong, which he isn't wholly, although some aspects of what he preaches likely are, there is still no real downside. Sure business makes money on fear mongering, liberal or conservative and usually on both sides of any debate. It will also always be the case that wrong theories are often the first steps down the correct path for addressing real problems. In other words, Global warming is real. If we address it as such and begin to search for the cause by heeding some of the so called "alarmist" theories only to find out they are wrong then the process of finding out what isn't actually causing global warming will help reveal what actually is causing it. At which point, the problem can be dealt with from a more informed place.

Thanks guys. I think I will give it as shot myself. Also a good suggestion about replacing the cord while I/m in there. That is very logical and makes good sense which is why it would not have occurred to me.

Hey all Before I bring it to the shop I wanted to check if this is something I can tackle myself or would I be opening a can of worms. The motor is an old Evinrude 15hp. The pull cord won't recoil so I have to pop the lid and recoil it by hand to pull the cord each time. The engine starts fine and runs well. The cord connects to a small disc with gears that raises and engages the flywheel. Is it easy to replace the spring to recoil the cord or can it be a bit of a pain reassembly everything afterwards? Also, are there any tips or tricks or pitfalls to be wary of. Thanks

mixed up pics, heres the last one.

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Just a few shots from the last few days at the cottage. Managed a few outing between storms and dragging the kids around the lake on floating things. Forgot the camera some days, didn't bother bringing it others since it is a pain taking pics when solo. Decent weekend bass wise. Found most of them deeper than normal for this time of year. Boated nine last night in a little over two hours (no camera). Most were smallies in about 12 feet of water and almost all of them were caught on a wacky rigged white worm drifitng to bottom. These shots are from a couple of morning when i sneak out prior to kids waking up. Small bass but pretty sunrise. A shot of a storm rolling in across the lake. And for the finale, my PB perch caught this morning off the dock while I sipped a coffee. Caught on a # 2 hook with about 3 inches of stale worm I found at the bottom of a container. I marked the fish on my rod and measured later and the fish was between 15 1/2 and 16 inches.

Well actually, coming in second would make you the last loser. The first loser would be the first team eliminated from the playoffs. It would then count down successively based on mathematical elimination from the playoffs and finally arriving at the team which plays for the Cup but does not win it. Simple logic dictates that the team who loses the cup is the 29th loser.

It's really not hard to figure out. There are two teams left. The team that loses finishes second. There are thirty teams in the league. Second place is higher than twenty-eight other teams but lower than one other team.

While it would have been nice to be the best, the Sens will have to settle for being the second best. Not what they wanted but still ahead of 28 other teams provided of course they don't win the next three.

Thanks lost child I will be fishing out of a canoe with no depth finder so it will be a bit of time trying to figure out the lake. Will start with the logical spots for pike and walleye and hope for the best. Beats not fishing so I can't see it being bad

Managed to track down a cottgae for rent listing for the lake which says the lake has good fishing (don't they all). It is a eutrophic (sp) lake, shallow and with a primarily rock and sand bottom. The listing says there are bass, pike and pickeral in the lake. I have found it on the map and as near as I can figure it is in either division 29 or division 10. Since walleye and pike are open in both it looks like I am in luck so I will bring my gear and camera. If it turns out it is predominently bass I will put the former down. Either way, if anyone has additional info that would be great.

Heading up to a friends cottage on Sunday Lake near Oompah and Plevna. It's a new place for him and he doesn't fish so he has no info. All I have been able to find out about it is that it is a small spring fed lake. Since the other two guys there are night owls and won't be out of bed until noon and since I am a morning guy I was hoping to use the morning hours to fish. But since I don't know anything about the lake I want to figure out what the in season options are, if any. If anyone has info or knows a bit about the lake let me know if you can. Thanks Greg

Should have just gone with a Newfoundlander then you don't have to worry about a life jacket. My dog has been known to swim across the lake, bother some cows then swim home. The guy who owns the cows doesn't find it as funny as I do. Our biggest problem is keeping her on a leash long enough to let her play but short enough to stop her from reaching the end of the dock because she instinctively rescues the kids which kind of takes the fun out of jumping off the dock if everytime you do it the dog swims out and pulls you to shore. She's trained well enough now to leave our kids alone because she recognizes their "fun' yells but it can be a hassle when they have friends over and Jughead doesn't recognize the voices. Either way, during cottage season she averages about 6 hours a day in the water, a good deal of it poised in about 1 1/2 feet of water motionless then lunging for fish. So far she has been skinked.