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I'll be doing a few charters this summer. Just wondered what the going rate for tips is.

Part one: Part two: For more info http://www.wildsalmonalliance.ca/

Nice report, thanks for sharing.

My few encounters with bears have led me to believe that they are not an intelligent animal. Some are very fearful and hightail it as soon as they see or hear humans and others don't. I wouldn't be carrying a gun unless there was cause but what about a cap-gun or firecrackers...or come to think of it a hand held air siren? A dude I fished with recently had problems with bears and he had an assortment of stuff at the ready.

Your daughter had sunglasses on and you didn't. Try sunglasses next time!

I think I would feel comfortable with all but trophy pike at 80. Going down...60 should do most pike. 40....ahhh? You hit the one over 2 ft and lose it and you will regret going too light.

Fine report Drew. Ever think about bringing a capgun? ..or are you thinking about it now?

Very much enjoyed reading your report. Nicely done!

As I have argued before, I don't think political or religious threads belong on the main forum. It divides this community. If such threads exist, may I suggest that if an administrator is going to close a thread, they do so in a neutral manner.

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content...6692&page=2 Fact Check: the ban handguns campaign David Miller is talking tough on gun violence, but do his numbers add up? Chris Selley | Apr 18, 2008 | 5:39 pm EST "If handguns were illegal," Toronto Mayor David Miller told the city's Board of Trade last week, "John O'Keefe would be alive today." He was referring to the 42-year-old father of one caught in the crossfire outside a strip club in January, when an aggrieved customer opened fire on security guards. It happened just a few minutes' walk from where 15-year-old Jane Creba was mortally wounded by a stray bullet on Boxing Day 2005. For a safe city like Toronto, the optics are dreadful: two completely innocent pedestrians shot dead along a perfectly salubrious stretch of Yonge Street, the city's main drag, in the span of just 25 months. Both murders were allegedly committed with weapons that were, or had once been, legally owned in Canada—in the O'Keefe case, the handgun was allegedly fired by its registered owner; in the Creba case, it had been stolen from a private collection. As such, the incidents are very effective ammunition for proponents of handgun bans. "I say it's unacceptable for so-called hobbyists and gun collectors to put innocent lives at risk," Miller told the Board of Trade. The majority of handguns in Canada might be smuggled across the border, he argues, but eliminating all legal ownership of handguns would shrink overall the arsenal available to hardened criminals and unstable strip club patrons alike. But to get a complete picture of the handgun problem and the solution, policymakers need to know how many so-called "crime guns" were once legally owned and how many were smuggled from the U.S. They're pretty much out of luck. In 2005, Miller claimed that "about half" of the crime guns in Toronto were stolen. It turned out that was just a very rough estimate based on anecdotal evidence from police officers. These days, the mayor claims "one third to forty per cent of the handguns used in crime in Toronto are from domestic sources"—also a very rough estimate, a Toronto Police Service spokesman confirms. In 2002, the RCMP's National Weapons Enforcement Support found that fully 94 per cent of guns seized in Vancouver had originated in Washington State, suggesting huge regional differences in the sources of handguns. But neither NWEST nor any other branch of the RCMP has more up-to-date figures. Municipal police forces in Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg and Montreal were also at a loss. "We don't speculate on those kind of numbers," Montreal Police Service spokesperson Mélanie Lajoie told Macleans.ca. "We base the numbers we give out on facts and statistics." Because so many firearms are deliberately rendered untraceable by criminals, we don't even know how many lives Miller's ban might save. According to Statistics Canada figures, 108 handguns were used in a homicide in Canada in 2006 and only 35 were recovered. Of those, the ownership status could only be determined for 20, 12 of which, or 60 per cent, had been reported stolen—much higher than Miller's estimate of a third. If the truth lies somewhere in between, it suggests that a handgun ban had the potential to save between 30 and 65 Canadian lives in 2006—that is, as long as the assailants didn't get their hands on a smuggled gun instead. It's been estimated as many as 30,000 guns flow across the 49th parallel in a given year. Even if the real figure was just a tenth of that, the enforcement gap would still be enormous. In 2006, Canadian law enforcement agencies recorded just 141 incidents of trafficking, importing or exporting restricted firearms, and laid just 72 charges. And blind luck plays a disconcertingly leading role when and if guns do get discovered, according to a 2006 report from The Tyee. Smugglers often specifically recruit mules who are unlikely to arouse suspicion, Randy Wong of the U.S.-Canadian Integrated Border Enforcement Team told the Vancouver-based online magazine. "For whatever reason, the demand is there," he warned, "and so long as that's the case, someone is going to supply it."

A number of you think that an armed takeover of Canada by UN forces or our own government is imminent. You worry about those who want power like the communists or another potential Hitler and think the only way to protect yourself against such dangers is to own guns. The bigger danger may come from ultra-libertarians who hate government like the person who did this in Oklahoma.

I'll look into that tomorrow. Nite.

Wouldn't you need handguns to protect yourself against crazy people with handguns? I saw it as a joke both sides could appreciate..sorry if I offended.

I couldn't find the source for this graph.

So we need handguns in our houses now because at some point in the future, and we don't know when this may occur, the government that we elected will try to kill us or put us in bondage. Of course the government will have to take over the military and police forces across this vast country first. At that point they will try to control the population and those that have the guns will be the initial resistance force that leads to the eventual overthrow of our despot leaders. Either that or UN forces hell bent on controlling the world will collect along our boarder and oceans and destroy our military and police forces. A guerilla war will ensue and the citizens resistance force will save the day by igniting a general uprising. These remote possibilities in distant years are the justification for useless death....right here and right now?

Then reason with me. Don't try sway me with herd mentality nor should you attempt to strike fear in my heart. You could do a cost benefit analysis. Are handguns for citizen's protection worth the many useless deaths caused by these handguns? I'd listen to that. Show me the beef. Justify your answers with something citable.

A clarification here... if you like it or not, you have no constitutional right to own a gun. That holds true only in America. No one is taking your rights away because you never had them in the first place.

Keep your eye on the ball folks. The topic was introduced and feted by numerous contributors. There is an issue at hand, if you want to converse...fine. On the other hand if you want to back slap each other every time you think someone has scored a point, the exchange of ideas is over.

We as Canadians have no right to bear arms.

Here is another interesting graph. It illustrates homicide, unintentional death, and suicidal death rates by guns for kids under 15. Graph 1 - Rates of firearm-related death among children <15 years - 26 industrialized countries Source: Centers for Disease Control. "Rates of Homicide, Suicide and Firearm-Related Death Among Children - 26 industrialized countries." MMWR, Vol. 46, No. 5.

The basic premise the mayor believes is that greater handgun accessibly leads to greater numbers of unnecessary death. The means by which he goes to try to limit accessibility can be faulted but I believe that premise to be true. If others disagree, that is a conversation worth having, who knows,...I, and a large segment of the general population could be wrong. Here is a chart that seems to show evidence that guns in the household lead to a higher gunshot death rate. It has Canadian and even provincial content. Figure 1 - Percentage of households with guns vs. gunshot death rate: a multinational comparison Source: Miller, T. and Cohen, M. "Costs of Gunshot and Cut/Stab Wounds in the United States, with some Canadian Comparisons. " Accid Anal Prev 1997; 29 (3): 329-41. ***additional information added after initial post***

Not a lot of actual communication actually happened on this thread. Basically it was a bash thread and anyone who disagreed with the dominant viewpoint was sent up the flagpole as well. Saw a lot of character assination of any politician or institution remotely involved with this issue. Mocking of any viewpoint that countered majority opinion was the favorite tactic. I've argued in the past against having bash threads on the main fishing forum. This thread is a perfect example of why that should be done. Really these threads do nothing but divide this community.

Cars are highly regulated. Many things are regulated that are dangerous. Are you arguing that there shouldn't be a total ban, the regulations need improvement, or that guns don't kill people unnecessarily? Really, it's hard to tell, and the need to make personal references really does nothing for the case you are attempting to present.

I can wait until your schooling is done. Then you can trounce all of my blindingly misleading citations. Put simply guns are the most efficient way to kill people. The more accessible a gun is, the greater likelihood there is it will kill someone. I haven't checked the statistics but I would hazard to guess that the US teen suicide rate is significantly higher then the Canadian suicide rate. I think the same would hold true to the death rate in domestic violence. Sure you can kill someone with a knife or hang yourself with a rope but the odds are that victims of such crimes have a much better chance of living if they were not shot. Same goes for attempted hangings. Everyone has focused on the criminal point of the argument and enforcement but have failed to tackle the heart of the issue. Do guns kill more people unnecessarily in society? If so we need less of them. For any of you who have unnecessarily lost a love one, one such extra death is too many.

FACT FILE - from Physicians for social responsibility http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:lxXbOA...t=clnk&cd=1 Quick facts 1)A person dies by suicide about every 18 minutes in the United States. Each suicide intimately affects at least six other people. 2)A gun kept in the home is 11 times more likely to be used to commit or attempt a suicide than to be used in self-defense. 3)The dramatic increase in American youth suicide since 1960 is primarily attributable to an increase in suicide by firearms. 4)Of elderly persons who commit suicide, over 71% use guns. From PBS http://www.pbs.org/thesilentepidemic/riskfactors/guns.html --Firearms are the most common method of suicide by youth. This is true for both males and females, younger and older adolescents, and for all races (Kachur et al., 1995). --The increase in the rate of youth suicide (and the number of deaths by suicide) over the past four decades is largely related to the use of firearms as a method (Boyd & Moscicki, 1986; CDC, 1986; Kachur et al., 1995). --The most common location for the occurrence of firearm suicides by youth is the home (Brent et al., 1993). --There is a positive association between the accessibility and availability of firearms in the home and the risk for youth suicide (Brent et al., 1993; Kellerman et al., 1992). --The risk conferred by guns in the home is proportional to the accessibility (e.g., loaded and unsecured firearms) and the number of guns in the home (Brent et al., 1993; Kellerman et al., 1992). --Guns in the home, particularly loaded guns, are associated with increased risk for suicide by youth, both with and without identifiable mental health problems or suicidal risk factors (Brent et al., 1993). --If a gun is used to attempt suicide, a fatal outcome will result 78% to 90% of the time (Annest et al., 1995; Card, 1974) --Public policy initiatives that restrict access to guns (especially handguns) are associated with a reduction of firearm suicide and suicide overall, especially among youth (Carrington et al., 1994; Loftin et al., 1991; Sloan et al., 1990).